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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so in your mind ....we're talking about Slavery and several southern states..... mmmmk.

    i don't share those delusions.
    Again - you need a really crucial lesson to bone up on your reading comprehension skills so you are able to understand the difference between what was actually said and your delusions about you want it to have said.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You are such a trusting soul, Thrilla. You think that that Texas is going to be admired and applauded by the Federal and all of the State governments for seceding when it won't be in the best interests of the Union. You act as though Texas is truly independent in most aspects. Man, Texas' mouth is stitched to the Federal Tit.
    I only wish i was a trusting soul.. I'm really not.
    remember, i'm addressing this as the hypothetical is it and am in no way denying the reality of the situation we are actually in.

    everything we speak on is dependent on the specific factors under which this would occur... factors not enumerated in the OP and left up to us to determine
    an i need to remind you again that i am not in favor of secession under our current environment.... i'm simply arguing that current realities are not permanent... **** changes, and **** happens

    where most anti-secessionist here are envisioning a doomsday scenario in every detail... i'm am taking a notably optimistic stance... where you say " the sky will most assuredly fall" .. i say " meh, not so much, **** can be worked out"


    How many times do you hear how fragile the SS system is and it's been in operation since the 30s. And in a blink of an eye, the moment secession begins the slate's been cleaned, the Republic of Texas' coffers will be ready to take on all of the challenges of SS, healthcare issues (well, unless we expect to see people laying in streets from serious health issues and Texas provides with a bus ticket to Oklahoma).
    quit literally the nation of Texas can incur debt to cover it's expenditures... that's the nature of modern economies and sovereign currencies.... I think the real work would be setting up such systems that would work for the people of the nation, not in financing those programs.

    And education...I'm not talking about just providing minimum education - but truly quality education. Never mind, won't happen in Texas. Texas public schools will most likely be turned into one giant parochial school...the religious sector is gonna really have to chip in. Bibles will a lot cheaper than text book. Military and Border security ain't gonna be cheap. But one of the most demanding cost to Texas over the next 20 years is highway/bridge infrastructure. It, like most states, they've all got infrastructure problems.
    more doom and gloom "the sky is falling" speculation.... why do you believe it's inherently impossible for Texas to address any of this?

    I assure you that our only major port city, Houston...well, they will take some licks for a while. Import/Export rules will change.
    possibly so... if history is our guide, humans generally get their **** together when they have to...even when that involves a period of pain.

    Other than oil, what commodities will support of the social needs?
    I don't understand the question... how does any country support itself of it's social needs?.. and how would Texas be any different than any other nation on earth in this regard?
    the TExas economy is pretty badass.. it's world class.... yet you somehow argue that it does not exist without being politically aligned to the Union.

    If the end goal is to create a Republic and at the same time purge the underclasses out of Texas...it might stand chance of surviving a couple of years longer.
    wow.. that escalated quickly.... i'm not sure why you have this resting in your mind, but damn man...that's some evil **** you've got living rent free up there

    All I can say is: If I were to live long enough to see this come down - and be able to hang out for a few more decades...I don't really care if Texas splits. I'm fixed, man and I can move anywhere. I'm a native, would have to leave the Hill Country, but I wouldn't hesitate to be gone if Texas ever seceded.
    if it happened right now.. i'd bail myself... i see no reason, none at all, that would have me personally support secession at this time.
    in all reality, I hope and pray it never happens.

    I must say...you're perspective is unique, but I still opine it is terminally unique.
    I'm a special snowflake.. what can i say

    But we could both be extremely wrong...
    I can say , with certainty, neither of of us has it right.... it's an academic/intellectual exercise bereft of details... there's no way we can get it right.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I only wish i was a trusting soul.. I'm really not.
    remember, i'm addressing this as the hypothetical is it and am in no way denying the reality of the situation we are actually in.

    everything we speak on is dependent on the specific factors under which this would occur... factors not enumerated in the OP and left up to us to determine
    an i need to remind you again that i am not in favor of secession under our current environment.... i'm simply arguing that current realities are not permanent... **** changes, and **** happens

    where most anti-secessionist here are envisioning a doomsday scenario in every detail... i'm am taking a notably optimistic stance... where you say " the sky will most assuredly fall" .. i say " meh, not so much, **** can be worked out"


    quit literally the nation of Texas can incur debt to cover it's expenditures... that's the nature of modern economies and sovereign currencies.... I think the real work would be setting up such systems that would work for the people of the nation, not in financing those programs.

    more doom and gloom "the sky is falling" speculation.... why do you believe it's inherently impossible for Texas to address any of this?

    possibly so... if history is our guide, humans generally get their **** together when they have to...even when that involves a period of pain.

    I don't understand the question... how does any country support itself of it's social needs?.. and how would Texas be any different than any other nation on earth in this regard?
    the TExas economy is pretty badass.. it's world class.... yet you somehow argue that it does not exist without being politically aligned to the Union.

    wow.. that escalated quickly.... i'm not sure why you have this resting in your mind, but damn man...that's some evil **** you've got living rent free up there

    if it happened right now.. i'd bail myself... i see no reason, none at all, that would have me personally support secession at this time.
    in all reality, I hope and pray it never happens.

    I'm a special snowflake.. what can i say

    I can say , with certainty, neither of of us has it right.... it's an academic/intellectual exercise bereft of details... there's no way we can get it right.
    WHat I dont understand i how you completely ignore the reality that no one is ever going to be just ok with a State seceding. No matter the story that the seceding State comes up with the end result will be anything but good. I have family and friends that live in Texas. I would be willing to join in the rebellion against the Texas secessionist government. I couldnt just ignore personal ties. Nor could business interests just ignore the ramifications of a State seceding. And of course the Federal Government has much interest in properties in Texas.

    The fist action would be a blockade to completely isolate Texas from the rest of the US and the entire world. And Texas would be powerless to stop it. Of course we would only be talking about portions of Texas since immediately the Federal Government would sweep in and control all Federal properties. The oil reserve the oil infrastructure would all be still on US soil. All ports would remain in US control. But really it would all be over before it ever had a chance to start. Secession is fantasy talk. There is no rational scenario for secession of Texas that could be peaceful or successful. The reality is that at best a few thousand nut jobs would try it and lose miserably. Those that were not killed in action would go on trail for their crimes.


    ANd if the Federal Government so bad that one thought a State should secede the reality there is that there would be a revolution before then.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    WHat I dont understand i how you completely ignore the reality that no one is ever going to be just ok with a State seceding.
    ... I ignore that "reality" because i'm sticking to the hypothetical posed in the OP.... and well, I'm not a bloodthirsty warmonger.

    this isn't rocket science.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    Texas lost any consideration of that imagined right as a condition for reentering the Union.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    when a right is recognized all that means is some one thinks you should have that right its made up
    well tell me, if that were to happen and people just think things up, why is there no right to food water shelter since people have the power to think them up.

    as stated rights are recognized, they are not created by law because law is made by man, if man could create his own rights, then man can control rights.

    many of you on this forum, believe rights are created by man, but you seem to always forget that IF you have the power to create you have the power to destroy also.

    for the power of rights created to be in the hands of man, would be the most dangerous of thing, for it will lead to our destruction., and those that subscribe to this notion are setting a path for the destruction.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those based in reality would disagree with such an extremist delusionary belief.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Pointless laughter with no intelligent response seems to be the standard MO of the delusional. Thank you for confirming that.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are we talking about the real Constitution or the imaginary one you pretend you know about? Many of your posts remind me of a gentleman I met at a Tea Party rally at the Michigan state capitol when I was working there. He said he personally accepts no changes to the Constitution after the adoption of the 12th Amendment. I asked him how that denial of reality impacted his own life and he looked at me with a deer in the headlights look on his face.
    tea party now.......before if was libertarianism.......

    it is so easy to see you constant desperation on threads.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Pointless laughter with no intelligent response seems to be the standard MO of the delusional. Thank you for confirming that.
    i cannot help but laugh at statements of yours..


    bye the way THANKS...for the MO <-----complement.

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