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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and what would happen to the share of the national debt that Texans owe? What would happen to social security benefits Texans have been working towards?
    that's the stuff that diplomats would need to work out.... among many many other details.

    btw, what is Texas's share of the national debt?... do you have that number handy for us?
    as far as I know, we don't divide up the national debt by states... obviously you know something the rest of us do not.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    and still every right you have is given to you by others or taken by yourself

    all of those natural rights are man made
    I'm unclear what you mean by saying natural rights are "man made"... can you explain that?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's the stuff that diplomats would need to work out.... among many many other details.

    btw, what is Texas's share of the national debt?... do you have that number handy for us?
    I would imagine you would take the share of the US population made up by Texans in the latest census count and figure out a percentage of the debt that way.

    But your inability to provide answers to a couple of rather simple questions indicates that the problems that would arise are not assemble as session supporters would lead us to believe.

    I wonder how many Texans would support secession if they were informed it meant not getting social security as well as paying their share of the debt?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm unclear what you mean by saying natural rights are "man made"... can you explain that?
    Speaking as someone who has debated this more than once, I suspect it means that the theory was made up by man. If it means something else, I await the answer from blarg.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    it most certainly does and i already gave you several examples including rights contained in the sixth amendment and the various right to vote provisions.
    wrong as usual, the bill for rights are restrictions on government power....not to create laws which would deny people a speedy public trial

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    each article on wikipedia stands on its own. You do not judge the content of one by a different article.

    If there was no 19th amendment, would women have voted in every state in the 1920's elections? That change was only made possible by the passage of the 19th amendment which effectively gave women the right to vote.

    why were women not able to vote?...because state laws prohibited them from voting.

    The 19th prohibited those state laws from being valid, because congress wrote laws to bar states from further creating any such laws.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would imagine you would take the share of the US population made up by Texans in the latest census count and figure out a percentage of the debt that way.
    that would be a horrible way to divide it up....fundamentally unfair.

    But your inability to provide answers to a couple of rather simple questions indicates that the problems that would arise are not assemble as session supporters would lead us to believe.
    "simple" ..dear god.... none of this is "simple"... not a damn bit of it.... go buy yourself a clue.

    I wonder how many Texans would support secession if they were informed it meant not getting social security as well as paying their share of the debt?
    I have no idea.... way too many variables involves to even guess.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Speaking as someone who has debated this more than once, I suspect it means that the theory was made up by man. If it means something else, I await the answer from blarg.
    that's the only thing I can think of as well.... and it's an especially weak argument.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong...in the constitution there are natural rights and privileges...only

    privileges today are called civil rights/legal rights...these are created by man, and called positive law.

    natural rights are not created by man, but only recognized by man, and are not positive law.

    privileges are created in statute law..no were in statute will you find a natural right for speech, prayer., protest, firearm, privacy.
    Except in the front matter where one finds the Organic laws lol.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong as usual, the bill for rights are restrictions on government power....not to create laws which would deny people a speedy public trial
    Excellent EB - you ignore both reality and the Constitution itself.
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