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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh!..... Check my government web site...the national achieves
    Which confirms that the 19th Amendment effectively gave women the right to vote.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Another example of weirdness - you introduce something and use my name to do so when I have not introduced that item myself.

    And that article confirms that the 19th Amendment effectively gave women the right to vote.

    I taught US Government for 33 years and for much of it used the #1 high school text in America. It is used by more schools than any other text.
    AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: Principles and Practices by Turner, Switzer and Redden. Merrill Publishing Company.

    Here is what it says about the 19th Amendment in the section on the Constitution explain the Amendment: page 799



    Now here is your chance to whine some more that I have not presented any evidence.
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    HAYMARKET CLAIMS WIKIPEADIA IS A VERIFABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...c-w-172-a.html


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    which confirms that the 19th amendment effectively gave women the right to vote.
    wrong it does not..is says they are guaranteed a vote

    no where in the constitution is the word "granted", ever used for a right......the word granted is used for powers granted to the federal government.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. I am simply speaking to the tactics you have used here and support it with authoritative evidence.

    When those same tactics are used to kill debate as well as present blatant falsehoods, they are appropriate to mention.
    GOING OFF INTO libertarianism, has nothing to do with what we are talking about.......


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong it does not..is says they are guaranteed a vote

    no where in the constitution is the word "granted", ever used for a right......the word granted is used for powers granted to the federal government.
    Why are you insisting that the word GRANTED or any other specific word must be used?

    That is utterly ridiculous and a straw man of your own making.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    GOING OFF INTO libertarianism, has nothing to do with what we are talking about.......
    When you adopt the tactics described, it is appropriate to expose them.

    Just look at what you did with the silly "Haymarket has used Wikipedia" post attack. Its a perfect example of denial of reality since I did not post the information YOU CITED in your post. Wikipedia has thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands of articles. I am NOT responsible for the ones you use.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you insisting that the word GRANTED must be used?

    That is utterly ridiculous and a straw man of your own making.
    because the constitution grants powers..it says that......you are saying its grants rights..it does not say that.

    all rights are recognized ...women were denied the vote before the 19th by the states, the 19th granted the federal government the power to write legislation prohibiting states from excluding women voting...

    the amendment says!..Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    the amendment is giving congress a power..the constitution again is about....POWERS


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you adopt the tactics described, it is appropriate to expose them.

    Just look at what you did with the silly "Haymarket has used Wikipedia" post attack. Its a perfect example of denial of reality since I did not post the information YOU CITED in your post. Wikipedia has thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands of articles. I am NOT responsible for the ones you use.
    you stated wikipedia is a good and verifiable source of information......therefore..you cant in anyway dispute the web site for information.

    and i posted information from it...

    The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen from being denied the right to vote on the basis of sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920. The Constitution allows the states to determine the qualifications of voters, subject to limitations imposed by later amendments. Until the 1910s, most states disenfranchised women. The amendment was the culmination of the women's suffrage movement in the United States, which fought at both state and national levels to achieve the vote. It effectively overruled Minor v. Happersett, in which a unanimous Supreme Court ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment did not give women the right to vote.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninetee...s_Constitution


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because the constitution grants powers..it says that......you are saying its grants rights..it does not say that.
    Where are you getting this fantasy from? The Constitution does what it does and does not have to say so in any way that pleases you.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you stated wikipedia is a good and verifiable source of information......therefore..you cant in anyway dispute the web site for information.]
    That is absurd beyond belief. Each article and each bit of information in Wikipedia stands on its own. One does NOT make the others accurate nor reliable.

    That is really a ridiculous argument you just pushed.

    The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen from being denied the right to vote on the basis of sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920. The Constitution allows the states to determine the qualifications of voters, subject to limitations imposed by later amendments. Until the 1910s, most states disenfranchised women. The amendment was the culmination of the women's suffrage movement in the United States, which fought at both state and national levels to achieve the vote. It effectively overruled Minor v. Happersett, in which a unanimous Supreme Court ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment did not give women the right to vote.
    Which effectively gave women across the nation the right to vote.

    read this

    http://www.history.com/topics/womens...19th-amendment

    Ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted American women the right to vote—a right known as woman suffrage. At the time the U.S. was founded, its female citizens did not share all of the same rights as men, including the right to vote. It was not until 1848 that the movement for women’s rights launched on a national level with a convention in Seneca Falls, New York, organized by abolitionists Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1815-1902) and Lucretia Mott (1793-1880). Following the convention, the demand for the vote became a centerpiece of the women’s rights movement. Stanton and Mott, along with Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906) and other activists, formed organizations that raised public awareness and lobbied the government to grant voting rights to women. After a 70-year battle, these groups finally emerged victorious with the passage of the 19th Amendment.
    There is no argument about this among rational people looking at these events objectively and through a prism of reality.
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