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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texas, as it stands today, would be the 14th largest economy on earth were it an independent nation. With our resources, population, and know-how, I would expect us to move up from there. Texas, unlike the Feds, runs a balanced budget and exercises fiscal restraint... So default would be unlikely.
    Default would be automatic if Texas refused to carry its share of the US national debt into independence, and there wouldn't be anything your resources and know-how could do to prevent capital flight and currency deflation on world markets.

    I think you're right that Texas as an independent nation could survive, but not if it made an enemy of the most powerful economy on Earth, and of the global financial markets. In those circumstances it would be in a position very comparable to that of Argentina and Venezuela, but with a fraction of the oil reserves of the latter.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    A - What is the legal basis for this? What provision in the Constitution gives any state the legal authority to leave? There is none. Texas can certainly vote to leave - the vote would not be legal and US could if it desired legally use force to keep Texas in the United States.

    B - Article IV Section 3




    C - Secession was tried once before. You really want to tempt fate again?
    The congressional joint resolution for the annexation of Texas, passed on March 1, 1845, provided that new states, not to exceed four, could be carved out of Texas, requiring only a majority vote in the state.

    Article IV section3, as you've quoted it, doesn't apply because Texas already has this approval from congress, as it was the U.S. Congress that passed said annexation agreement in 1845.

    And, again, the U.S. Public didnt have the stomach for war in Vietnam or Iraq. They were dragged kicking and screaming in to WW1 and 2. Do you really think the U.S. Public would tolerate a war so close to home, to see the blood of people just like them spilled day after day? I highly doubt it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Default would be automatic if Texas refused to carry its share of the US national debt into independence, and there wouldn't be anything your resources and know-how could do to prevent capital flight and currency deflation on world markets.

    I think you're right that Texas as an independent nation could survive, but not if it made an enemy of the most powerful economy on Earth, and of the global financial markets. In those circumstances it would be in a position very comparable to that of Argentina and Venezuela, but with a fraction of the oil reserves of the latter.
    I think you misunderestimate the people of Texas, my friend.

    If Scotland can do it, Texas can do it.

    And how would you even calculate our "share" of the U.S. National debt?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    If they have legitimate reason to leave the Union, then sure. But it's highly unlikely that they would ever actually secede.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    *shrug* you'd be surprised where the dominoes fall.

    Connecticut embargoed over an RFRA. I can't imagine what other states would do in response to an attempt at secession.
    That was far from a full embargo.

    The American People just don't have the stomach to do the things you're suggesting, especially since so many have family in Texas

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texas has the wealth, the know-how, and the population to more than hold their own. Besides, we defeated the Mexicans once before.
    Over half of the Texas population is from the north. Many of those people will be scared into moving back north.

    A few resources that we don't have are: Lumber (not piney woods lumber, real lumber), Wheat, Corn, Soy, Citrus fruits, Berries, Coconuts and Pineapples, Water to grow crops, Iron ore, Diamonds, Gold and Silver, Fish, Pomegranates, Cantaloupe, Water crests and chestnuts, and Milk.

    Would the US trade with us at all? Or, would they slap high tariffs on our goods?

    Would they attack us?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post

    And, again, the U.S. Public didnt have the stomach for war in Vietnam or Iraq. They were dragged kicking and screaming in to WW1 and 2. Do you really think the U.S. Public would tolerate a war so close to home, to see the blood of people just like them spilled day after day? I highly doubt it.
    this is a point i have made, if a state or states were to leave, what would the government do?

    are they going to declare war, and march on the states, kill the people of the states, and lock it down, this would cause a great problem for the federal government has people of others states would become angry and join fight against the government, and our nation at war with itself would invite our enemies to cease the moment.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    First: the question has already been answered.
    Could Texas secede in a peaceful and democratic manner.
    They tried this in 1860, the answer weather constitutional or not, was NO!
    Forces were sent to force the seceding states back into the union.
    Someone asked about the debt, but there are also Territory questions, would Texas
    get all the land back they brought to the union on Annexation?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is a point i have made, if a state or states were to leave, what would the government do?

    are they going to declare war, and march on the states, kill the people of the states, and lock it down, this would cause a great problem for the federal government has people of others states would become angry and join fight against the government, and our nation at war with itself would invite our enemies to cease the moment.
    History says that is exactly what they did!

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