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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Not one thing you claim in that post changes the reality that the Amendments discussed effectively expanded the vote to the groups mentioned.

    Not one thing you claim in that post changes the reality that voting in the USA is a RIGHT under the US Constitution and we know this because it is specifically mentioned at least five times in five different parts of the Constitution.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again the disconnect between belief and reality on the part of the right libertarian. In point of fact you cannot tell me where these rights were to be found before they were placed in constitutions. Its a mental disconnect between reality and what you want to believe because you believe it as it fits into your adopted extremist ideology of right libertarianism.
    IN OTHER WORDS .......I PROVIDE PROOF, AND YOU PROVIDE NOTHING......BUT YOUR OWN WORDS......

    BUT TO GIVE YOU A .............BIG BOOM !

    here is your favorite source of information which you claim is correct......wikipedia

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    In American Constitutional Law, fundamental rights have special significance under the U.S. Constitution. Those rights enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are recognized as "fundamental" by the U.S. Supreme Court.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    Not one thing you claim in that post changes the reality that the Amendments discussed effectively expanded the vote to the groups mentioned.

    Not one thing you claim in that post changes the reality that voting in the USA is a RIGHT under the US Constitution and we know this because it is specifically mentioned at least five times in five different parts of the Constitution.
    ...in other words you have nothing to post.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    IN OTHER WORDS .......I PROVIDE PROOF, AND YOU PROVIDE NOTHING......BUT YOUR OWN WORDS.......
    You were provided with the US Constitution.

    In American Constitutional Law, fundamental rights have special significance under the U.S. Constitution. Those rights enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are recognized as "fundamental" by the U.S. Supreme Court.
    The US Supreme Court can recognize the existence of a god or God or GOD. That does NOT make for verifiable evidence of the existence of a god outside of anything but belief. The same goes for the belief in natural rights.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ...in other words you have nothing to post.
    You calling the evidence I presented NOTHING is a perfect example of the self imposed dissociative disorder I have discussed in the past designed to protect your right libertarian extremist beliefs in the face of reality. You deny my posts have evidence and in turn are permitted to deny reality. Its a dog chasing its tail and getting nowhere.

    http://accredited-times.com/2013/08/08/352/

    In May of this year, the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was published by the American Psychiatric Association. This near-comprehensive set of diagnostic criteria is just another example of the progress which government-funded medical research has made in recent years. Many hurdles remain, however, and psychiatric professionals are discovering new personality disorders and previously unknown mental dysfunctions on a near-daily basis. With that in mind, I offer the two following observations:


    1: Psychosis is defined by experts as a mental state involving a “loss of contact with reality.” (1)

    2: Ludwig von Mises, a cult figure among Right-wing extremists and described by many as the “Paul Krugman of Libertarianism”, once offered the following bizarre statement in defense of his repugnant ideology:

    “Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification and falsification on the ground of experience and facts. They are both logically and temporally antecedent to any comprehension of historical facts.” (2)

    The consensus amongst professional Economists today is that this statement is merely another glaring example of the shoddy circular logic and solipsistic reasoning for which extreme right-wing “thinkers” are notorious. Could it be, however, that an altogether more tragic story lies behind the creation of Ludwig von Mises’ hate-filled works? Perhaps history may judge the man more kindly if the sociopathic nature of his “philosophy” can one day be ascribed to mental ill health rather than wilful malice.

    Whilst it is undeniable that the “Libertarian” movement exhibits continuous atavistic spasms of illogicality and delusion, the majority of individuals aligned with the “Libertarian” and Conspiracy movements are not, of course, mentally ill. Most are simply malcontents; socially inept individuals who, suffering from boredom as a result of the record amounts of leisure time afforded by recent improvements in the economy, engage in anonymous confrontational thrill-seeking online. Many are only semi-literate and, having perhaps read Ayn Rand, but not von Mises or Rothbard, merely parrot slogans and catchphrases which they have learned by rote from darkly charismatic leaders within the cult-like environs of shady online message boards.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You were provided with the US Constitution.



    The US Supreme Court can recognize the existence of a god or God or GOD. That does NOT make for verifiable evidence of the existence of a god outside of anything but belief. The same goes for the belief in natural rights.
    again you provide nothing to back up your case.

    where are rights granted.......?

    the constitution states powers are granted, where does it says rights are granted.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You calling the evidence I presented NOTHING is a perfect example of the self imposed dissociative disorder I have discussed in the past designed to protect your right libertarian extremist beliefs in the face of reality. You deny my posts have evidence and in turn are permitted to deny reality. Its a dog chasing its tail and getting nowhere.

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    OF MISES AND MADMEN: IS LIBERTARIANISM A MENTAL ILLNESS?<-------------

    you didn't even address your favorite source of information.

    if this is not the most deflective post i have ever seen
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    AMENDMENT XV
    Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

    Section 1.
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude--

    Section 2.
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 15TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S RACE, HIS COLOR, OR IF HE WAS A FORMER SLAVE

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!



    AMENDMENT XIX
    Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 19TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S SEX.

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!



    AMENDMENT XXVI
    Passed by Congress March 23, 1971. Ratified July 1, 1971.

    Note: Amendment 14, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 1 of the 26th amendment.

    Section 1.
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    Section 2.
    The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 26TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S AGE.

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!
    "Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote." Our Documents - 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Women's Right to Vote (1920)

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ..when all else fails by you... dodge the subject

    OF MISES AND MADMEN: IS LIBERTARIANISM A MENTAL ILLNESS?<-------------

    you didn't even address your favorite source of information.

    if this is not the most deflective post i have ever seen
    There is nothing defective other than you not recognizing the evidence I presented and trying to perpetrate a fraud in saying it is not there in the first place.

    Your intentional rejection of the Constitutional and historical evidence I have presented shows that the reference to Mises and his mental disorder that some libertarians mimic is perfectly applicable.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    "Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote." Our Documents - 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Women's Right to Vote (1920)
    wrong.........all three amendments grant a power to congress to write federal legislation,prohibit, the u.s. or states from denying the vote..because of race-color- sex- age.

    here is the power in each amendment:

    The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


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