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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not one thing you just said defending Thrilla supports the idea that powers contained in the Constitution do not apply to citizens. I already provided real life examples where they do.

    My statement and question about the judicial branch was directed to you anybody else who takes the absurd position that the Constitution does not apply to citizens. Again - Can you cite one single Supreme Court decision which says this over the last 225 years?
    as he stated and i will now......show me any article /section/clause of the constitution that applies to the people and that they can violate.

    all i ask is you give me the article/ section/ and clause numbers.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Except the Constitution says you are wrong. It refers to THE RIGHT TO VOTE or a variation on that language at least five different times in five different places. Nothing about the privilege of voting - but the RIGHT TO VOTE.
    are you saying the constitution created the right to vote?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as he stated and i will now......show me any article /section/clause of the constitution that applies to the people and that they can violate.

    all i ask is you give me the article/ section/ and clause numbers.
    Where did this nonsense about AND THEY CAN VIOLATE come from?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you saying the constitution created the right to vote?
    Various Constitutional Amendments effectively created the right to vote for certain groups of Americans including African Americans, females and persons from age 18 to 20 years old.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where did this nonsense about AND THEY CAN VIOLATE come from?
    here is what i said...in post 675# and post 682

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitutional law does not apply to Citizens......federal law does.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    constitutional law does not apply to Citizens....only federal law does....please show in constitutional law, where it can be used on a Citizen.


    here is YOUR reply to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The judicial branch - the US Supreme Court - has the power to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means stepping in disputes about the document and its meaning. Can you point to the Supreme Court decision which states that the Constitution does not apply to citizen?

    HERE is Thrilla's reply to your post of #702


    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    did you seriously just ask this question?..hollyyyyyyy ****.... wow.

    the entire document.. all of it.. every single word of it.... pertains to government and government only.

    he's entirely correct... federal law applies to the people, the US Constitution does not.

    i stated plainly, that constitutional law does not apply to people, only federal law does, and Thrilla stated i was correct...and he and i are correct...."Citizens cannot violate constitutional law".....they can only violate federal law.

    Citizens are subject to the decisions of the federal courts, but if a citizen is a defendant in court........he has violated federal LAW........."NO CITIZEN .....VIOLATES CONSTITUTIONAL LAW"

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post


    i stated plainly, that constitutional law does not apply to people, only federal law does, and Thrilla stated i was correct...and he and i are correct...."Citizens cannot violate constitutional law".....they can only violate federal law.

    Citizens are subject to the decisions of the federal courts, but if a citizen is a defendant in court........he has violated federal LAW........."NO CITIZEN .....VIOLATES CONSTITUTIONAL LAW"
    Why are you restricting the application and effect of the Constitution to simple violations of what it says?

    here was the statement from Thrilla that you also defended

    federal law applies to the people, the US Constitution does not.
    Clearly that is incorrect. The Constitution very very much applies to the people and I gave many examples of that.

    In addition you have asked many times what rights the Constitution provides people and I provided proof on that also via the Sixth Amendment complete with its language.

    another statement from Thrilla that you are on the side with

    the entire document.. all of it.. every single word of it.... pertains to government and government only.
    I clearly showed that is incorrect also and provided many examples where it applies perfectly to citizens.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    Well, that would solve America's border problem, wouldn't it. America could pull it's resources like border patrol out, and make Texans or Texicans responsible.
    But what would Texas do about federal funding to close their budget gaps? Raise their own tax dollars?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Various Constitutional Amendments effectively created the right to vote for certain groups of Americans including African Americans, females and persons from age 18 to 20 years old.



    AMENDMENT XV
    Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

    Section 1.
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude--

    Section 2.
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 15TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S RACE, HIS COLOR, OR IF HE WAS A FORMER SLAVE

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!



    AMENDMENT XIX
    Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 19TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S SEX.

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!



    AMENDMENT XXVI
    Passed by Congress March 23, 1971. Ratified July 1, 1971.

    Note: Amendment 14, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 1 of the 26th amendment.

    Section 1.
    The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    Section 2.
    The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    THE 26TH AMENDMENT STATES THAT CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE POWER TO WRITE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, TO PROHIBIT THE ABRIDGEMENT OF VOTING BY THE U.S. OR ANY STATE ON ACCOUNT OF A PERSON'S AGE.

    SO THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS GOVERNMENTS FROM DENYING PEOPLE A VOTE....ON ACCOUNT OF THE REASON WHICH ARE LISTED.........IT DOES NOT GRANT A VOTE!
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you restricting the application and effect of the Constitution to simple violations of what it says?

    people adhere to federal courts decisions...but that is not the constitution, just like federal law is not the constitution....people cannot in any way violate constitutional law....its impossible.

    because constitutional law apples to government only.



    here was the statement from Thrilla that you also defended

    he is restating what i have said......constitutional law does not apply to the people...

    example:...here is what the constitution says on counterfeiting.

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    can the federal government use this clause of the constitution to prosecute people?..............NO!

    the federal government, is granted the power to create federal law for the crime of counterfeiting, and federal law is used on people

    it would be impossible to use the clause of the constitution on a Citizen....because the clause does not define what counterfeiting is.


    Clearly that is incorrect. The Constitution very very much applies to the people and I gave many examples of that.

    In addition you have asked many times what rights the Constitution provides people and I provided proof on that also via the Sixth Amendment complete with its language.

    the 6th amendment is a restriction on the federal government.....saying the government CANNOT keep people from getting a public speedy trial.

    it does not grant any right.



    another statement from Thrilla that you are on the side with

    I clearly showed that is incorrect also and provided many examples where it applies perfectly to citizens.
    again this is correct..the constitution is about the separations of powers, and what powers will be delegated to the federal government.....again the constitution is about powers.

    the body of the constitution of 1788...delegates powers to the federal government, and creates the structure of the federal government.

    the bill of rights lays restrictions on the federal government, not to makes laws which infringe on recognized rights of the people.

    further amendments grant congress powers to write legislation...pertaining to voting/privileges/rights among other things.

    again, the law of the constitution cannot be used on a Citizen of the u.s.......federal law is used on Citizens.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Interesting result in the poll, which shows the standard partisan lines in this country. 50% support freedom, 50% dont.

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