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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is it natural to pray, ..meaning it is something the body can do such as speech?
    yes making noises is natural

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, it's not.
    the US Constitution defines Treason as "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."... so yeah.. you're wrong... no doubt about it.

    so you would make war on those whom decided to secede?.. all based on your misunderstanding of the word treason?
    that's not very nice.

    So then if there is enough legal immigrates, that move into a section of the USA and want to secede you are fine with that? Say a bunch of Mexican nationals move to Texas gain US citizenship legally and want Texas to secede that isnt treason or making war on the USA? How about a bunch of Muslim Americans want to take a section of any State and secede it from the union?

    According to you it is the peoples right to self determine their own government. It doesnt matter their reasoning for seceding as long as they get to enjoy their rights. Isnt that what you have been saying? Dont you see a problem with having a country where it can Balkanize at will without the Federal Government having any power to stop such activity?

    really the whole self-determination argument that you have been asserting turns out to be the result of a dictatorship by the majority or legislation. it sounds a lot like to me that you would accept anything that people wanted to do because it is their right.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    yes making noises is natural
    Using spoken words to intimidate, threaten or harm in anyway is not natural. The freedom of speech that we all enjoy and want doesnt come without some limits. One cannot go into a crowded theater and yell fire without breaking a law and the Constitutional right to freedom of speech isnt a valid defense.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Using spoken words to intimidate, threaten or harm in anyway is not natural. The freedom of speech that we all enjoy and want doesnt come without some limits. One cannot go into a crowded theater and yell fire without breaking a law and the Constitutional right to freedom of speech isnt a valid defense.
    um if threats are not natural then prayer is not natural im ok with that

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    sorry man " go look it up" is not acceptable evidence for your claim.

    please provide proof of your claim.... provide the text of the US Constitution that applies directly to the people and is not a limitation of govt.
    READ THE CONSTITUTION certainly is. AndI did provide many examples from it including the text you requested. I provided the exact text of the Sixth Amendment.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    yes making noises is natural
    Far too many people here confuse a mere ability due to biology of a species as a RIGHT - which it is not. Yes, speaking is a natural ability and so is movement and dealing with others and procreating and lots of other things. Those are ABILITIES that a person has due to the biology of the species. They are NOT rights.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    any legal rights you have
    a legal right...is a "privilege" under constitutional law.

    the constitution has natural rights and privileges, and nothing else

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes I did. And you FAILED TO ANSWER IT. Failed completely and utterly and completely. Here it is again: The judicial branch - the US Supreme Court - has the power to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means stepping in disputes about the document and its meaning. Can you point to the Supreme Court decision which states that the Constitution does not apply to citizen?

    Now lets see you again fail to answer it.
    you did not even know what he was saying.........again lets look at your error...


    he stated this
    federal law applies to the people, the US Constitution does not.
    so he talking about LAW..acts passed by congress, and saying their are no constitutional powers which apply to citizens..........and that is 100% correct.

    citizens cannot violate constitutional law......only federal law can they violate.

    Thrilla's statement had nothing to do with the judicial branch of government, but he was talking about the legislative branch.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you did not even know what he was saying.........again lets look at your error...


    he stated this

    so he talking about LAW..acts passed by congress, and saying their are no constitutional powers which apply to citizens..........and that is 100% correct.

    citizens cannot violate constitutional law......only federal law can they violate.

    Thrilla's statement had nothing to do with the judicial branch of government, but he was talking about the legislative branch.
    Not one thing you just said defending Thrilla supports the idea that powers contained in the Constitution do not apply to citizens. I already provided real life examples where they do.

    My statement and question about the judicial branch was directed to you anybody else who takes the absurd position that the Constitution does not apply to citizens. Again - Can you cite one single Supreme Court decision which says this over the last 225 years?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a legal right...is a "privilege" under constitutional law.

    the constitution has natural rights and privileges, and nothing else
    Except the Constitution says you are wrong. It refers to THE RIGHT TO VOTE or a variation on that language at least five different times in five different places. Nothing about the privilege of voting - but the RIGHT TO VOTE.
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