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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't see democrat minorities in Texas being that vocal, to be honest. Perhaps in Austin, however Austin is a small drop in a big bucket.
    Not sure I would be that vocal about democrat leanings in Texas either.

    My lady friend, a professor at Sam Houston State University is staunchly democrat. She supported Obama last election and had her Obama yard sign peppered not once, but twice with a shotgun. In fact, I challenge anyone to go to Texas and have a group conversation and even suggest something positive about President Obama. You will surely be trounced upon verbally. The peer pressure to conform is enormous. It's as if there is some kind of competition to see who can be the reddest and wear the biggest hat.

    Texas is a very unique place.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    stop whining and get to providing a argument.
    Again with the insults. And you did get an argument - you just ignored it.

    one fact you got wrong?... that the US Constitution applies to the people instead of being a limiting documented applying only to govt.
    that's a big ass fact to screw up....massive.
    The only BIG ASS FACT there is that you are delusional if you truly believe that citizens voting is not a result of several Amendments effectively giving them the right to do so.

    another one.... that the US Constitution grants rights to the people... it does not.
    African Americans are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    Women are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    18 year olds are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    You are delusional if you cannot admit that it was the Constitution which granted these groups the right to do so.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't decide these things for me...you might be a fascist dictator in your dreams, but this here is reality.
    yup - you stuck your nose in it and now you own it. You decided that when you did so.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again with the insults. And you did get an argument - you just ignored it.
    stop whining .. and no, I didn't ignore your arguments... they're astonishingly wrong, but they are not ignored.



    The only BIG ASS FACT there is that you are delusional if you truly believe that citizens voting is not a result of several Amendments effectively giving them the right to do so.
    delusional?.. didn't you just whine about insults?
    establishing limits on the federal govt from abridging a right is not the same as granting a right.
    these amendments in conjunction with pertinent legislation are most assuredly used to establish the right, though.... that's the very nature of legal rights...without a doubt.



    African Americans are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    Women are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    18 year olds are people. How did they get the right to vote?

    You are delusional if you cannot admit that it was the Constitution which granted these groups the right to do so.
    is there where i' get to whine about you being insulting?.. or am i not supposed to comment on your hypocrisy?

    legal rights are granted by pertinent legislation in conjunction with the US Constitution...the Constitution limits govt. from infringing on legal rights, to one degree or another...
    without pertinent legislation, the legal right to vote is nonexistent... without a limiting clause in the US Constitution, the legal right to vote is nonexistent.

    again.. the US Constitution pertains only to govt....civics 101.
    learn it, live it, know it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup - you stuck your nose in it and now you own it. You decided that when you did so.
    stop whining and get back to arguing.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    which has exactly dick to do with anything I have said...
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    of course i would support it.... I would support any state seceding peacefully.

    unlike so many here, I actually believe self determination is a great thing....and i'm no fan of holding people hostage to a government they don't want.
    That isnt very far off from this: "Here in the United States, a new group of Southerners is calling for nothing more revolutionary than home rule for the states established by the U.S. Constitution. The Southern League was founded in 1994 at a meeting of scholars, journalists and political activists in Tuscaloosa, Ala. Our members are pledged to seek the well-being and independence of the Southern people by every honorable means. Far from wishing any ill to the rest of the nation, we believe that a renewed South will be an inspiration to other regions in search of their own identities and to all Americans who wish to lead their lives in peace." The New Dixie Manifesto: States' Rights Will Rise Again... by J. Michael Hill and Thomas Fleming

    A peaceful split and the right to Govern themselves right? Its the self-determination/State Rights argument that is so prevalent in the neo-confederate crowd. Perhaps you dont belong to that crowd but one must wonder why then you replied to my post talking about neo-confederates. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064621735 (Would you support the right of Texas to secede?)
    Which I might add that your reply didnt have dick to do with what I said. Which was that the US Constitution is a document that foremost creates a Union and that secession is anti-Constitutional in nature and design. And it is the Constitution that is the main roadblock to those factions seeking to destroy the Union to impose their fascist utopia bull**** system.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    That isnt very far off from this: "Here in the United States, a new group of Southerners is calling for nothing more revolutionary than home rule for the states established by the U.S. Constitution. The Southern League was founded in 1994 at a meeting of scholars, journalists and political activists in Tuscaloosa, Ala. Our members are pledged to seek the well-being and independence of the Southern people by every honorable means. Far from wishing any ill to the rest of the nation, we believe that a renewed South will be an inspiration to other regions in search of their own identities and to all Americans who wish to lead their lives in peace." The New Dixie Manifesto: States' Rights Will Rise Again... by J. Michael Hill and Thomas Fleming

    A peaceful split and the right to Govern themselves right? Its the self-determination/State Rights argument that is so prevalent in the neo-confederate crowd. Perhaps you dont belong to that crowd but one must wonder why then you replied to my post talking about neo-confederates. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064621735 (Would you support the right of Texas to secede?)
    Which I might add that your reply didnt have dick to do with what I said. Which was that the US COnstitution is a document the foremost creates a Union and that secession is anti-Constitutional in nature and design. And it is the Constitution that is the main roadblock to those factions seeking to destroy the Union to impose their fascist utopia bull**** system.
    none of this has dick to do with what i have said or responded too... nor will you be successful in your dishonest ploy to label me a neo-confederate...sorry.
    I have no use for neo-confederates... though they do objectively hold the moral high ground in comparison to you and your compatriots.
    ( though i do believe you hold the legal high ground, according to the decision of SCOTUS)

    you might want to start being honest in your discussion...it will be far more productive.

    in addition, before you label anyone else "fascist", you might want to rethink your desire to kill them because of the "crime" of wanting to govern themselves....the insult might carry merit of you were, indeed, not so extreme and violent in your own position.... just sayin'

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    none of this has dick to do with what i have said or responded too... nor will you be successful in your dishonest ploy to label me a neo-confederate...sorry.
    I have no use for neo-confederates... though they do objectively hold the moral high ground in comparison to you and your compatriots.
    ( though i do believe you hold the legal high ground, according to the decision of SCOTUS)

    you might want to start being honest in your discussion...it will be far more productive.

    in addition, before you label anyone else "fascist", you might want to rethink your desire to kill them because of the "crime" of wanting to govern themselves....the insult might carry merit of you were, indeed, not so extreme and violent in your own position.... just sayin'
    The wanting to govern themselves part involves them tacking over a portion of this country for their own needs. Such a usurpation of power is what is known as treason which is punishable by death. As you point out legally them tacking over portions of this country is illegal. Hell its even Constitutionally impossible for any faction to take over a portion of the US. Not only is such action treasonous but a act of war.


    ANd please dont lump me in with anyone, I think I have made you understand how that feels by now....

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    I have it perfectly straight... primarily because I read all the words in a sentence to fully understand what that sentence means

    the 15th amendment limits the government from abridging the right to vote.....that's it's purpose.

    civics 101, my man....Constitution is a limiting document pertaining only to government...deal with it.
    You seem to be stuck in some time of time warp where you repeat yourself and do not speak to the posts I have written for you providing just the argument that proves you wrong.

    Go back and read.

    Open your mind and learn.

    Put aside your faux ideology and join the 21st century of sane rational people.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    stop whining and get back to arguing.
    You seem to be stuck in your own delusional rewind.

    establishing limits on the federal govt from abridging a right is not the same as granting a right.
    Then do inform all of us how the African Americans held in a former condition of slavery got the right to vote?

    And then tell us how females got the right to vote.

    And then tell us how 18, 19 and 20 year olds got the right to vote.

    And do tell us how all of that was accomplished WITHOUT benefit of the Constitution making it all possible for those people to have the RIGHT TO VOTE.

    Go on. Do it.

    And then tell us why the Constitution uses the phrase RIGHT TO VOTE or a variation of that term no less than FIVE TIMES in FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES when there was no enabling legislation yet passed.

    And then tell us how - by your claim the Constitution does not apply to people -

    again.. the US Constitution pertains only to govt....civics 101.
    how did people get the right to vote for their US Senators?

    Read the Sixth Amendment and tell me who is that has those rights listed and explained there.

    Your plate is full.

    legal rights are granted by pertinent legislation in conjunction with the US Constitution..
    You just admitted defeat as reality tells us that the legislation you speak of was only made possible by the Constitution itself.

    You lost by your own words.

    delusional?.
    You do not like it when I use the word DELUSIONAL to describe your denial of reality. Sorry. It is a perfect word which describes a mental condition where a person denies fact and reality as you are doing here.
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