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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I understand completely.



    It would be interesting if the Texas GOP seceded and the next day all the rich little GOP kids @ their 100k+ office jobs promptly were fired due to the complete economic collapse of Texas and the reality that Houston, Dallas and San Antonio Texas would all be on fire as the Democrat minorities would burn those cities and their economies overnight.


    I do agree that would be an amusing week on CNN, Fox, MSNBC. Seeing the extinction of the GOP would definitely be amusing to witness nobody can easily deny that.


    Democrats would run this country for the next 100 years. I guess the rich GOP kids would get their 24-72 hours of infamy though right before they lost everything politically and economically.
    Very interesting post.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't care what you suspect... it's irrelevant.:
    Apparently you do care because you replied.



    if you want to consider not falling for your abject dishonesty as "dodging" .. call me a dodger any day of the week.
    and yes, you've made it obvious you are ignorant of our founding document... perfectly obvious.
    So stand up and quit insulting me and provide a provable and indisputable fact about the Constitution - just one fact - that I have been wrong about and thus can be accused of being ignorant. Back up your insults with verifiable evidence.

    Of course, you cannot and you will not do so.

    i'm just a nice enough guy to point it out for you so you can work on correcting the falsehoods you try to sell...
    You have not presented any FALSEHOODS I stated. But I challenge you to do so.

    And I ask you directly one more time - an you tell me why you and others on the far right feel it necessary to sneak in snide personal comments like the last line of nonsense you previously included? People of maturity and intelligence realize that one can look at things differently without ignorance being a factor. People who disagree with you are not ignorant - they are educated and informed and simply see things differently that you do. In this case, they know how to read the entire PREAMBLE instead of just cherry picked words that they then twist to fit their own extremist ideology.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You stuck your nose in it and in doing so you FAILED to provide the answer to the question that you were so incredulous about me asking.
    yes, I commented on your stupid question... which in no ways means the question was posed to me.
    I'm far to smart to be taken in by your dishonesty



    Who do you think exercises the various rights the Constitution provides for us?
    no one.
    the Constitution doesn't provide any rights for us.... it provides for protections for rights by limiting what government can and cannot do.

    Who do you think is voting in the five different times the Constitution discusses the right to vote?
    it doesn't matter.. in every case the right to vote is addressed, it is addressed pertaining to govt behavior/action.
    for example, the 15th amendment is pretty clear on voting rights...

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation
    no right is granted by this amendment,nor does this apply to the people...this amendments entire purpose is to set forth a boundary for the govt.

    at best it can be argued that certain legal rights ( voting, jury trial) are established by providing direct protections for them in the US constitution.... at best.
    these protections are ALWAYS in the form of limiting government action... always.

    this is a pretty clear example of the Constitution limiting the governments behavior in relation to a right( though voting is not a natural right , at face value)....this is exactly how the document operates throughout it's entirely.

    it's is not extreme or even controversial to say our founding document is a document that limits government...it does not limit the people.


    the entire document,..every word of it... pertains to government... without fail, without exception.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, I commented on your stupid question... which in no ways means the question was posed to me..
    When you stuck your nose in it - you bought it and now own it.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Voting in public elections are actions by CITIZENS - not actions by governments.

    Thrilla said this concerning the Constitution and elections

    in every case the right to vote is addressed, it is addressed pertaining to govt behavior/action.
    Voting rights involve CITIZENS acting in public elections. And the right to vote in those elections is specifically mentioned in the US Constitution at least five different times.

    the entire document,..every word of it... pertains to government... without fail, without exception.
    The right to vote in public elections - a right held by PERSONS provided to them by the Constitution - proves you wrong.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Apparently you do care because you replied.





    So stand up and quit insulting me and provide a provable and indisputable fact about the Constitution - just one fact - that I have been wrong about and thus can be accused of being ignorant. Back up your insults with verifiable evidence.

    Of course, you cannot and you will not do so.



    You have not presented any FALSEHOODS I stated. But I challenge you to do so.

    And I ask you directly one more time - an you tell me why you and others on the far right feel it necessary to sneak in snide personal comments like the last line of nonsense you previously included? People of maturity and intelligence realize that one can look at things differently without ignorance being a factor. People who disagree with you are not ignorant - they are educated and informed and simply see things differently that you do. In this case, they know how to read the entire PREAMBLE instead of just cherry picked words that they then twist to fit their own extremist ideology.
    stop whining and get to providing a argument.

    one fact you got wrong?... that the US Constitution applies to the people instead of being a limiting documented applying only to govt.
    that's a big ass fact to screw up....massive.

    another one.... that the US Constitution grants rights to the people... it does not.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, I commented on your stupid question... which in no ways means the question was posed to me.
    I'm far to smart to be taken in by your dishonesty



    no one.
    the Constitution doesn't provide any rights for us.... it provides for protections for rights by limiting what government can and cannot do.



    Citizens getting the right to vote in PUBLIC ELECTIONS is CITIZEN ACTION. Not government action. Get it straight.
    I have it perfectly straight... primarily because I read all the words in a sentence to fully understand what that sentence means

    the 15th amendment limits the government from abridging the right to vote.....that's it's purpose.

    civics 101, my man....Constitution is a limiting document pertaining only to government...deal with it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you stuck your nose in it - you bought it and now own it.
    you don't decide these things for me...you might be a fascist dictator in your dreams, but this here is reality.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    If Texas would take Alabama and Mississippi with them, I would donate to the cause!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I understand completely.



    It would be interesting if the Texas GOP seceded and the next day all the rich little GOP kids @ their 100k+ office jobs promptly were fired due to the complete economic collapse of Texas and the reality that Houston, Dallas and San Antonio Texas would all be on fire as the Democrat minorities would burn those cities and their economies overnight.


    I do agree that would be an amusing week on CNN, Fox, MSNBC. Seeing the extinction of the GOP would definitely be amusing to witness nobody can easily deny that.


    Democrats would run this country for the next 100 years. I guess the rich GOP kids would get their 24-72 hours of infamy though right before they lost everything politically and economically.
    I don't see democrat minorities in Texas being that vocal, to be honest. Perhaps in Austin, however Austin is a small drop in a big bucket.

    I agree that the rest of the United States would inevitably shift to the left if Texas and its electoral votes were removed from the equation. In a sense, that's the win/win scenario created by having two separate governments instead of jamming everyone in to one.

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