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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that was a dishonest repsonse... you damn well know what post i was responding to, and yet you pretend it was rebuttal a different post of yours?... serisously?



    let's not pretend your post , especially the bolded, was not pointed directly at me.

    in any event, i'd be wary of conflating the terms "secessionist" with " neo-confederate" .. they are not one-in-the-same.
    neither term really applies to me... I'm not a seccessionist in terms of believing we should split... I'm simply arguing the right to split should be respected according to a few of our most dearly held american principles... it's a matter of "can" versus "should" to me.
    I think we can.. but i don't think we should.
    ("we" being any substantial political bloc who finds itself in the position of not consenting to be governed by a specific body any longer and decides to exercise thier self-determination in forming and consenting to thier own governence, whatever that might be)
    While we are not pretending lets look at where your assertion of self determination adheres to the State rights claims that neo-confederates make. The New Dixie Manifesto: States' Rights Will Rise Again... by J. Michael Hill and Thomas Fleming

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    None of the above. I posted the OP as a thought experiment, because I was interested to see how people weigh the sometimes opposing ideals of, on the one hand, self-determination, and on the other, national unity.

    Our nation was founded on the principle if self-determination and secession from the British Crown, and yet we fought a civil war over the idea of unification at all cost in spite of regional differences. I find the apparent dichotomy intriguing, and I find the discussion that is taking place on this thread an interesting barometer of the current disposition of the American Public.

    In other words, Americans are patriotic and we love freedom...but what happens when the ideals of patriotism and freedom are at odds? Which instinct wins out?

    The 50/50 poll results are as expected and incredibly fascinating


    I understand completely.



    It would be interesting if the Texas GOP seceded and the next day all the rich little GOP kids @ their 100k+ office jobs promptly were fired due to the complete economic collapse of Texas and the reality that Houston, Dallas and San Antonio Texas would all be on fire as the Democrat minorities would burn those cities and their economies overnight.


    I do agree that would be an amusing week on CNN, Fox, MSNBC. Seeing the extinction of the GOP would definitely be amusing to witness nobody can easily deny that.


    Democrats would run this country for the next 100 years. I guess the rich GOP kids would get their 24-72 hours of infamy though right before they lost everything politically and economically.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes I did. And you FAILED TO ANSWER IT. Failed completely and utterly and completely. Here it is again: The judicial branch - the US Supreme Court - has the power to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means stepping in disputes about the document and its meaning. Can you point to the Supreme Court decision which states that the Constitution does not apply to citizen?

    Now lets see you again fail to answer it.
    you never asked me the question, so let's not pretend your false accusation of me failing to answer it has merit.

    had you asked me this particular question, I would have told you I wouldn't answer a question build on a non sequitur and that you should stick to building a valid argument for your claim.

    now, it's your claim that the Constitution applies to the people, so we'd all like to see you provide verifiable evidence of that claim.
    you can point to whatever section or article you feel does not apply to the government, but to the people themselves.

    we'll be waiting ...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your post makes no sense in any way, shape or form as a reply to the post from me that you reproduced. I was CORRECTING another poster who claimed that the only reason for the establishment of the government was to protect natural rights. The evidence I used was the words given to us by the Founders themselves in the US Constitution where they explain why they wrote it and why they are establishing a government under it. And it includes a whole lot more than just the protection of rights.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.




    Can you tell me why you and others on the far right feel it necessary to sneak in snide personal comments like the last line of nonsense you included? People of maturity and intelligence realize that one can look at things differently without ignorance being a factor. People who disagree with you are not ignorant - they are educated and informed and simply see things differently that you do. In this case, they know how to read the entire PREAMBLE instead of just cherry picked words that they then twist to fit their own extremist ideology.
    It's not my problem you don't understand the Social Contract or the underpinnings of our federal government... and I have neither the time nor inclination to educate you on basic civics.

    you stick with with the false notion of our government being the creator of all rights...it's no sweat of my brow... you have no power to affect anything anyways.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    While we are not pretending lets look at where your assertion of self determination adheres to the State rights claims that neo-confederates make. The New Dixie Manifesto: States' Rights Will Rise Again... by J. Michael Hill and Thomas Fleming
    which has exactly dick to do with anything I have said...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you never asked me the question,..
    You stuck your nose in it and in doing so you FAILED to provide the answer to the question that you were so incredulous about me asking.

    now, it's your claim that the Constitution applies to the people, so we'd all like to see you provide verifiable evidence of that claim.
    Who do you think exercises the various rights the Constitution provides for us?

    Who do you think is voting in the five different times the Constitution discusses the right to vote?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I understand completely.



    It would be interesting if the Texas GOP seceded and the next day all the rich little GOP kids @ their 100k+ office jobs promptly were fired due to the complete economic collapse of Texas and the reality that Houston, Dallas and San Antonio Texas would all be on fire as the Democrat minorities would burn those cities and their economies overnight.


    I do agree that would be an amusing week on CNN, Fox, MSNBC. Seeing the extinction of the GOP would definitely be amusing to witness nobody can easily deny that.


    Democrats would run this country for the next 100 years. I guess the rich GOP kids would get their 24-72 hours of infamy though right before they lost everything politically and economically.
    .. good god... put down the hackery and step away slowly...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    It's not my problem you don't understand the Social Contract or the underpinnings of our federal government... and I have neither the time nor inclination to educate you on basic civics.
    With you I suspect it is a matter of not being able to instill me with the belief system that you have willfully adopted. Thats what it comes down to and you know it.

    And you dodging me directly confronting you with your insulting implications that I am ignorant of history and the Constitution is duly noted and it speaks volumes about your tactics.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I understand completely.



    It would be interesting if the Texas GOP seceded and the next day all the rich little GOP kids @ their 100k+ office jobs promptly were fired due to the complete economic collapse of Texas and the reality that Houston, Dallas and San Antonio Texas would all be on fire as the Democrat minorities would burn those cities and their economies overnight.


    I do agree that would be an amusing week on CNN, Fox, MSNBC. Seeing the extinction of the GOP would definitely be amusing to witness nobody can easily deny that.


    Democrats would run this country for the next 100 years. I guess the rich GOP kids would get their 24-72 hours of infamy though right before they lost everything politically and economically.
    wow... that hackery is strong in this one

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    With you I suspect it is a matter of not being able to instill me with the belief system that you have willfully adopted. Thats what it comes down to and you know it.

    And you dodging me directly confronting you with your insulting implications that I am ignorant of history and the Constitution is duly noted and it speaks volumes about your tactics.
    I don't care what you suspect... it's irrelevant.

    if you want to consider not falling for your abject dishonesty as "dodging" .. call me a dodger any day of the week.
    and yes, you've made it obvious you are ignorant of our founding document... perfectly obvious.

    i'm just a nice enough guy to point it out for you so you can work on correcting the falsehoods you try to sell... it's a free service I provide to those in need

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