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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    .. there's really nothing to disagree about... if Texas splits, it will have it's own currency.. no doubt about it whatsoever.

    if a vote came about, i'd vote "no" myself....though I do support the right for any state to secede if that's what they want.
    (IMO, to not support the right is to be in direct opposition to the very principles we founded this union on , and strive to maintain.)
    Well, it's obvious it would have to create its own currency. It's on federal reserve - so to speak. There would have to be a method for creating wealth.

    And I do understand "the striving to maintain" principle. Where we disagree is on how to achieve that.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, it's not uncommon to find folks online who desire a 1 party/1 ideology rule... though most are smart enough to understand why that's not a good thing.
    That's not explicitly true. I find your Texas politicians most extreme and Ted Cruz is symptomatic of a crazed man gone completely out of his f*king mind. Cruz makes me want to throw up my breakfast, lunch and dinner. Look at your fanatical governor Abbott! I believe in equality, but draw the line when it comes to perversion politics like Cruz and Abbott. Shutting down the government because of Obamacare which was already the law of the land. Forcing people who live from paycheck to paycheck to lose their wages. Cruz is a cancer and I would pay gladly for him and Abbott to leave America. I don't have any love lost on Perry, the former governor, but he at least, doesn't come across as possessing a defective mind, but human with opinions different from mine.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry they are, its natural to the body to speak, pray, self defense...
    not sure about prayer being natural I had to be taught religion by others

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    just because we need government to secure rights docent mean there natural I argue that it shows their artificial

    and people have crated rights to get other peoples stuff communism ( they might argue peoples labor entitles them to more then they personally own and hey exploitation can happen ) and we do have the power to deny and abolish rights look at all the stuff we do to one another

    food water and shelter actually seem like decent rights to have

    just because its scary or un pleasant to think of rights as made up and alterable doesn't make them any less so
    do you consider philosophy to be "man-made" and "artificial"?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    That's not explicitly true. I find your Texas politicians most extreme and Ted Cruz is symptomatic of a crazed man gone completely out of his f*king mind. Cruz makes me want to throw up my breakfast, lunch and dinner. Look at your fanatical governor Abbott! I believe in equality, but draw the line when it comes to perversion politics like Cruz and Abbott. Shutting down the government because of Obamacare which was already the law of the land. Forcing people who live from paycheck to paycheck to lose their wages. Cruz is a cancer and I would pay gladly for him and Abbott to leave America. I don't have any love lost on Perry, the former governor, but he at least, doesn't come across as possessing a defective mind, but human with opinions different from mine.
    well, at least you are down to merely showing irrational hatred for a couple of individuals rather than an entire party/ideology... that's progress.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede." ~ Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

    Texas won't be leaving the union. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

    Wait and see.
    well not with out a fight

    I think succession is justified if the federal government doesn't hold up its end of the deal

    if your rights get taken away and your no longer represented in government

    ok that's one thing

    but looking at the pole and who voted for what I get the feeling this is largely ultra conservative grumbling based on fear that their positions are becoming unpopular

    really could be my own bias's their though the names I recognize are only the ones I disagree with a lot

    and a lot of people might just really be in to sate rights

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, it's obvious it would have to create its own currency. It's on federal reserve - so to speak. There would have to be a method for creating wealth.

    And I do understand "the striving to maintain" principle. Where we disagree is on how to achieve that.
    well, i'm sure we do disagree on how to maintain those principles... thought i'm pretty sure casting them entirely away is not the best method to preserve them... even if doing so serves some simple utilitarian purpose.

    I mean, when we get right down to the meat and potatoes of the deal, we're talking about self-determination, we're talking about consent of the governed, the social contract..... that doesn't really mean you want to leave the union ( I don't, and neither do you) , only that you respect the right for people to do so if they so choose ( provided they do so following a just mechanism to reach a majority consensus followed by an amicable split)

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    do you consider philosophy to be "man-made" and "artificial"?
    a man made study of the natural that may or may not get things right

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    well not with out a fight

    I think succession is justified if the federal government doesn't hold up its end of the deal

    if your rights get taken away and your no longer represented in government

    ok that's one thing

    but looking at the pole and who voted for what I get the feeling this is largely ultra conservative grumbling based on fear that their positions are becoming unpopular

    really could be my own bias's their though the names I recognize are only the ones I disagree with a lot

    and a lot of people might just really be in to sate rights

    should include liberal grumbling because they don't like the way conservatives vote to that's just as bad

    disgusting both sides

    were not wining lets leave and

    and they don't vote for what we like I hope they leave

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, at least you are down to merely showing irrational hatred for a couple of individuals rather than an entire party/ideology... that's progress.
    It's illogical to hate a state* and it's not the state I hate but the governing politicians who control the state. And my dislike of your Cruz and new governor, Abbott, is not "irrational." I am not alone in that category. The fact you're unable to see this means YOU have a lot of progress to make.

    *By the way, I simply adored the late former governor, Ann Richards.
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