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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The judicial branch - the US Supreme Court - has the power to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means stepping in disputes about the document and its meaning. Can you point to the Supreme Court decision which states that the Constitution does not apply to citizen?
    did you seriously just ask this question?..hollyyyyyyy ****.... wow.

    the entire document.. all of it.. every single word of it.... pertains to government and government only.

    he's entirely correct... federal law applies to the people, the US Constitution does not.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    yes, because it would rebalance politics in the rest of the US to be much more like I think they should be and what I believe would bring the most good to the most people in terms of prosperity and happiness.
    Best "yes" answer given so far. Would add to that not only would it rebalance power in the rest of the U.S. in such a way that better reflects the wishes of the Anericans remaining behind, but it would also rebalance power within Texas to give Texans a government closer to what they're looking for

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so you decided to concoct a wholly different hypothetical scenario instead of sticking with the OP's hypothetical.

    seems to be a common theme around here....

    and once again, why are you ignoring that Texas would necessarily issue sovereign currency?... most likely through a chartered bank.
    you know, just like the US government does.
    Obviously you thinking that creating a domestic currency is the cure all. You still can't see how the states have become truly a "union". There is genuinely a symbiotic relationship that you aren't acknowledging.

    So be it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    It would appear that the propaganda of our enemies is being spoon fed certain groups and individuals.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a blatant falsehood. The men who wrote the constitution told us very very clearly in plain English why they created our government in the Constitution.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Nothing in there about any nonsense about natural rights but a lot of other things are there as reasons for creation of our government.

    You really have shown that your beliefs about the USA and its government is not based on reality.
    no, it's not a falsehood.. it is the very basis for the social contract.

    the government sole duty under the social contract is to serve the people by protecting their life, liberty, and property.



    I have no clue what you think the US is, or what you think what it's philosophical underpinnings are... but it's completely obvious you haven't paid any attention to our history whatsoever..

    natural law is the very foundation of our declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution ( as well as the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen)
    there is no good reason for you to be utterly ignorant of this stuff... none whatsoever.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Obviously you thinking that creating a domestic currency is the cure all. You still can't see how the states have become truly a "union". There is genuinely a symbiotic relationship that you aren't acknowledging.

    So be it.
    it's not a cure all.. but it sure as hell is a cure to the whole "not having money" thing.....

    the "union" and how it operates is irrelevant....the hypothetical is entirely based on a peaceful split from the union and a formation of a new nation called "Texas"

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's not a cure all.. but it sure as hell is a cure to the whole "not having money" thing.....

    the "union" and how it operates is irrelevant....the hypothetical is entirely based on a peaceful split from the union and a formation of a new nation called "Texas"
    Alrighty then...we'll just have to agree to disagree. I won't be voting "for" if I'm ever faced with such a situation. I doubt it...but...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we institute government for the sole purpose to secure those natural rights....

    if people created their own rights..then people would create rights to...food, water, shelter, the property of other people, and since they would have the power to create, that also means they have the power to deny or abolish rights for people.

    which is why rights are not in the peoples hands.........because that would be dangerous thing.
    just because we need government to secure rights docent mean there natural I argue that it shows their artificial

    and people have crated rights to get other peoples stuff communism ( they might argue peoples labor entitles them to more then they personally own and hey exploitation can happen ) and we do have the power to deny and abolish rights look at all the stuff we do to one another

    food water and shelter actually seem like decent rights to have

    just because its scary or un pleasant to think of rights as made up and alterable doesn't make them any less so

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Alrighty then...we'll just have to agree to disagree. I won't be voting "for" if I'm ever faced with such a situation. I doubt it...but...
    .. there's really nothing to disagree about... if Texas splits, it will have it's own currency.. no doubt about it whatsoever.

    if a vote came about, i'd vote "no" myself....though I do support the right for any state to secede if that's what they want.
    (IMO, to not support the right is to be in direct opposition to the very principles we founded this union on , and strive to maintain.)

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution delgates general powers to the federal government, and off of those general powers the congress writes federal law/statutes.

    no where is there a general power that grants the federal government authority over states....question?.... would the states have ratified the constitution if the constitution granted the federal government power to rule over them..No
    they must have voted for some measure of rule that whatever appropriate under those general powers and the constitution gives us rights that the state governments cant take away

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