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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I say let Texas secede and then we impose very heavy sanctions until they beg US to come back in.
    Well, ultimately that is the very thing that would happen. All goods and services Texas would need - which comes from outside the state - would be shutdown by the Feds or even other states.

    The same thing happened during the civil war. Most of the manufacturing of goods, especially goods made of steel and/or iron were milled in the north. Even cotton gin machinery was manufactured in the north. Actually machinery of all kinds were manufactured in the north. The majority of textile mills were in the north. The list goes on and on....

    And it was difficult to get England to manufacture such goods for the south. England inventors created the primary means for the industrial revolution to happen in the US.

    And now, since the majority of oil imports come from Canada...well, can you see a problem here for Texas? It cost a lot of money to drill. And where does the equipment come from that make drilling possible?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    yes, because it would rebalance politics in the rest of the US to be much more like I think they should be and what I believe would bring the most good to the most people in terms of prosperity and happiness.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?....

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
    This is so damn typical of the way you argue. I quote the official freakin' US CONSTITUTION which tells us why the wrote it and created the government they did create. What do you do in response - give us something that is just opinion and has no relevance in law at all.

    So damn typical and it summarizes your style perfectly.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is so damn typical of the way you argue. I quote the official freakin' US CONSTITUTION which tells us why the wrote it and created the government they did create. What do you do in response - give us something that is just opinion and has no relevance in law at all.

    So damn typical and it summarizes your style perfectly.
    Well, but don't you get it? Others in DP argument that our government was not created via the consent of the people. Therefore we live under an illegitimate government. I guess every piece of history that is evidence to the contrary is just propaganda that some mystical agent of evil was able to sneak into all of the records in the Library of Congress and other historical repositories.

    The funny thing is that if the US reduced the size of government to be a "Night Watch Government". People like EB and others who subscribe to the "illegitimate government theory along with "our government should only be a "Night Watch Government" would be the first to whine and cry about not having everything that they currently bitch about because of the way our government currently operates.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The law of NATURE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell is that?
    Four words from the preamble to the Declaration of Independence?

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    Where does one find verifiable that such a thing exists outside of your own mental construct believing what you believe because you want to believe it?
    Maybe he believes that some people a lot smarter than you or he is figured out that not everything can be quantified or verified empirically. For example, how much happiness does the average person consume during his or her lifetime? How much would a hug from President Obama be worth to you, if anything, and what would you use as a scientific standard to measure it? How could you verify it? After all, your definition of happiness and someone else's are probably not the same.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Absolutely!

    The loss of Texas would be well worth it in order to get rid of the Republican power base.
    Getting rid of Texas would be as helpful for America as curing cancer (politically speaking).
    Without Republicans, the amount of good we could do is endless.
    I could not agree more. I would even contribute money for Texas secession from the rest of America! Especially with the clown, Ted Cruz, leading the way. I'm salivating at the thought! Nice post, Painter. You and I are soul mates.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Obviously you think that all of the social demands for funding (education, military, healthcare, etc), which are placed on the Texas government - does so mostly on its own revenues. I suggest you might spend some time finding out how much money flows into Texas via both the Federal General Funds and Discretionary Funds, which allows Texas to operate. The sovereignty of individual states exist because of the symbiotic relationships between all states and a central government.
    do you understand what sovereign currency is and how it works?...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, ultimately that is the very thing that would happen. All goods and services Texas would need - which comes from outside the state - would be shutdown by the Feds or even other states.

    The same thing happened during the civil war. Most of the manufacturing of goods, especially goods made of steel and/or iron were milled in the north. Even cotton gin machinery was manufactured in the north. Actually machinery of all kinds were manufactured in the north. The majority of textile mills were in the north. The list goes on and on....

    And it was difficult to get England to manufacture such goods for the south. England inventors created the primary means for the industrial revolution to happen in the US.

    And now, since the majority of oil imports come from Canada...well, can you see a problem here for Texas? It cost a lot of money to drill. And where does the equipment come from that make drilling possible?
    so you decided to concoct a wholly different hypothetical scenario instead of sticking with the OP's hypothetical.

    seems to be a common theme around here....

    and once again, why are you ignoring that Texas would necessarily issue sovereign currency?... most likely through a chartered bank.
    you know, just like the US government does.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    I could not agree more. I would even contribute money for Texas secession from the rest of America! Especially with the clown, Ted Cruz, leading the way. I'm salivating at the thought! Nice post, Painter. You and I are soul mates.
    yes, it's not uncommon to find folks online who desire a 1 party/1 ideology rule... though most are smart enough to understand why that's not a good thing.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    One in four Americans want their state to secede from the U.S., but why?

    If youre just going to insult me though, we're done.
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