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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    they drew them from the law of nature.

    its natural to speak - pray - protest - associate - self-defense, be secure in ones self, among many others.
    The law of NATURE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell is that? Where does one find verifiable that such a thing exists outside of your own mental construct believing what you believe because you want to believe it?

    The things you describe are ABILITIES one has because of simple biology of the species. They are NOT rights.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    constitutional law does not apply to Citizens....only federal law does....please show in constitutional law, where it can be used on a Citizen.
    The judicial branch - the US Supreme Court - has the power to interpret the Constitution and tell us what it means stepping in disputes about the document and its meaning. Can you point to the Supreme Court decision which states that the Constitution does not apply to citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    more made up stuff
    Exactly. Its worse than fairy tales told to children before bedtime.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we institute government for the sole purpose to secure those natural rights.....
    That is a blatant falsehood. The men who wrote the constitution told us very very clearly in plain English why they created our government in the Constitution.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Nothing in there about any nonsense about natural rights but a lot of other things are there as reasons for creation of our government.

    You really have shown that your beliefs about the USA and its government is not based on reality.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The law of NATURE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell is that? Where does one find verifiable that such a thing exists outside of your own mental construct believing what you believe because you want to believe it?

    The things you describe are ABILITIES one has because of simple biology of the species. They are NOT rights.
    sorry they are, its natural to the body to speak, pray, self defense...
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    second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a blatant falsehood. The men who wrote the constitution told us very very clearly in plain English why they created our government in the Constitution.
    really?....

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede." ~ Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

    Texas won't be leaving the union. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

    Wait and see.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a blatant falsehood. The men who wrote the constitution told us very very clearly in plain English why they created our government in the Constitution.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Nothing in there about any nonsense about natural rights but a lot of other things are there as reasons for creation of our government.

    You really have shown that your beliefs about the USA and its government is not based on reality.
    establish justice..ie ....the courts, to make decisions in cases of injustice.

    insure domestic Tranquility...to keep the internal union safe, and not in turmoil.

    provide for the common defense....to create a military which can protect our life liberty and property from those enemies who seek seek to destroy them

    promote the general Welfare ...to perform the duties of government which encompass the powers which shall preserve rights of the people of the union .

    secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,<--- this is self explanatory
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry they are, its natural to the body to speak, pray, self defense...
    Those are mere abilities because of biology. It has nothing to do with any claim of rights.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    establish justice..ie ....the courts, to make decisions in cases of injustice.

    insure domestic Tranquility...to keep the internal union safe, and not in turmoil.

    provide for the common defense....to create a military which can protect our life liberty and property from those enemies who seek seek to destroy them

    promote the general Welfare ...to perform the duties of government which encompass the powers which shall preserve rights of the people and the union .

    secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,<--- this is self explanatory
    While your own spin may be interesting to you - in the end its just crap you made up and does not even have the utilitarian value of a five pound bag of garden manure.
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