View Poll Results: Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    more made up stuff
    nope its fact.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    if rights did not need to be secured then they actually would be natural
    if rights did not need to be secured......then government would not need to exist at all.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the federal government is not over state governments.......we have federalism, the separation of powers.

    the states created the constitution, and the constitution created the federal government, its not the other way around.
    the federal government cant do what ever it wants with the states but you have rights and responsibility's under it were not a loose collection of nations banding together this is 1 country

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    the federal government cant do what ever it wants with the states but you have rights and responsibility's under it were not a loose collection of nations banding together this is 1 country
    will you show me the constitutional law....... that states the federal government can do ever it wants.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if rights did not need to be secured......then government would not need to exist at all.
    ok but since they do need to be secured their not natural and we need government because nature sucks and dose not know or care about what we think are our rights

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    will you show me the constitutional law....... that states the federal government can do ever it wants.
    cant man says cant in the post

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    ok but since they do need to be secured their not natural and we need government because nature sucks and dose not know or care about what we think are our rights
    we institute government for the sole purpose to secure those natural rights....

    if people created their own rights..then people would create rights to...food, water, shelter, the property of other people, and since they would have the power to create, that also means they have the power to deny or abolish rights for people.

    which is why rights are not in the peoples hands.........because that would be dangerous thing.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    cant man says cant in the post
    the constitution delgates general powers to the federal government, and off of those general powers the congress writes federal law/statutes.

    no where is there a general power that grants the federal government authority over states....question?.... would the states have ratified the constitution if the constitution granted the federal government power to rule over them..No

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    Yes. Self-Determination is an important concept in democracy. Without it, we are not one. I would then support building a wall around Texas and only allowing them to enter the US under the same system that other hispanic and latin american born foreigners can enter. They will have to wait in line for visas just like anybody else.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    sovereign currency would work as well.... kinda like it works for nearly every country on the planet.
    Obviously you think that all of the social demands for funding (education, military, healthcare, etc), which are placed on the Texas government - does so mostly on its own revenues. I suggest you might spend some time finding out how much money flows into Texas via both the Federal General Funds and Discretionary Funds, which allows Texas to operate. The sovereignty of individual states exist because of the symbiotic relationships between all states and a central government.

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