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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A. Texas could simply vote to leave. Are you going to send troops in to Dallas? The American people would NEVER have the stomach for a bloody war against their own kin...and a number of southern states may even be sympathetic to our cause.

    B. Texas does have a legal right to divide itself in to 5 states at any time. Is the U.S. Govt really going to accept 10 senators from Texas? Hell no, they'll kick us out first.

    C. We can simply refuse to appoint any federal judges or hire any federal employees...simply letting the positions go unfilled. Then we can simply ignore federal law and that would be secession by default. See point A....us wouldn't really be able to do anything about it
    A - What is the legal basis for this? What provision in the Constitution gives any state the legal authority to leave? There is none. Texas can certainly vote to leave - the vote would not be legal and US could if it desired legally use force to keep Texas in the United States.

    B - Article IV Section 3

    New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

    C - Secession was tried once before. You really want to tempt fate again?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    C - Secession was tried once before. You really want to tempt fate again?
    Things might be different if the 49 other states basically say, "Fine, secede, and please don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out."
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not really that stupid of an idea, Texas has a balanced budget, and just about every natural resource a nation could be blessed with.
    I only wish they would help get the country as a whole back on track.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Actually we can, question is would you handle the breakup with grace and dignity, or would you try to cling and beg
    Actually, you can't.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Oh but it is. You can't become an independent state as a "successor state" of an existing state and not assume your part of international obligations.
    Did the U.S. pay debt money to the crown of England after it declared independence?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Oh Dear Lord no.

    We'd be conquered by Mexico within the first month. You have to remember that all of the US Armed Forces in our state would be moving out.
    Texas has the wealth, the know-how, and the population to more than hold their own. Besides, we defeated the Mexicans once before.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texas has the wealth, the know-how, and the population to more than hold their own. Besides, we defeated the Mexicans once before.
    What currency would you use? And how much do you think it would be worth if you defaulted on your share of the US national debt? Ask Argentina and Greece how default, or the threat of it, affects your economy.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So much for 'inalienable' rights, eh? You get one chance to sign them away and poof! they're gone.
    Unilateral secession through voting is not an inalienable right. Revolution is.

    Perhaps read up on American laws before commenting on them? Although to be fair, Europeans generally are perplexed by such superior forms of governing.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Did the U.S. pay debt money to the crown of England after it declared independence?
    The US did have to assume its part of the inherited obligations, yes.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Y'know, that "America, Hell Yeah!" sort of thing.
    Go to Texas sometime. You'll see more Texas flags flying than American flags, and that's emblematic.

    I think a parallel can be made between Texas and Scotland in some respects. While the majority of Texans probably would like to remain in the U.S. For the time being, there is that independent streak as well...

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