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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post

    That is a verbatim copy paste from wikipedia. What point are you trying to make?
    are the links from wikipedia?


    n Meyer v. Nebraska,1 the Court invalidated a state law which prohibited foreign language instruction for school children because the law did not “promote” education but rather “arbitrarily and unreasonably” interfered with “the natural duty of the parent to give his children education suitable to their station in life...” 2 The court chastened the legislature for attempting “materially to interfere� with the power of parents to control the education of their own.” 3 This decision clearly affirmed that the Constitution protects the preferences of the parent in education over those of the State. In the same decision, the Supreme Court also recognized that the right of the parents to delegate their authority to a teacher in order to instruct their children was protected within the liberty of the Fourteenth Amendment. 4

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really, what do you think rights are?

    did the congress grant you are right to free speech...among others....where are they granted at?
    Yes of course they did. Without these legal protections and the might of society to guard me my right to free speech would be limited by my own strength to sustain it. The only right we all have is to do our utmost to survive, everything else flows from the bounty we gain by coming together to form civilized society.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i don't see it happening.

    the u.s.federal government would cut its own throat by going to a state and arresting the politicians the people have elected.

    secession is a act by the people not by government alone
    Are you serious? We lit Georgia on fire over secession and you think the Federal Government would "cut its own throat" by arresting people who attempt secession/rebellion?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by sherman123 View Post
    yes of course they did. Without these legal protections and the might of society to guard me my right to free speech would be limited by my own strength to sustain it. The only right we all have is to do our utmost to survive, everything else flows from the bounty we gain by coming together to form civilized society.
    where are these rights granted at?


    Show me!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are the links from wikipedia?


    n Meyer v. Nebraska,1 the Court invalidated a state law which prohibited foreign language instruction for school children because the law did not “promote” education but rather “arbitrarily and unreasonably” interfered with “the natural duty of the parent to give his children education suitable to their station in life...” 2 The court chastened the legislature for attempting “materially to interfere� with the power of parents to control the education of their own.” 3 This decision clearly affirmed that the Constitution protects the preferences of the parent in education over those of the State. In the same decision, the Supreme Court also recognized that the right of the parents to delegate their authority to a teacher in order to instruct their children was protected within the liberty of the Fourteenth Amendment. 4

    Decisions of the United States Supreme Court Upholding Parental Rights as "Fundamental"HSLDA | National Center Special Report


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    What is the point here? That the Supreme Court's role is to discern what is and what is not in accord with the Constitution?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by sherman123 View Post
    are you serious? We lit georgia on fire over secession and you think the federal government would "cut its own throat" by arresting people who attempt secession/rebellion?
    this is not 1861....if the federal government came into a state and locked it down arrested people/killed people...it would be a battle cry across the union against the federal government.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by sherman123 View Post
    what is the point here? That the supreme court's role is to discern what is and what is not in accord with the constitution?
    the point is... The courts recognizes rights.....the court is not a law making body.

    The right to privacy which the court recognized, was not created by the congress via law.

    Rights are not created by law

    again...where are rights granted to you......show me!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where are these rights granted at?


    Show me!
    In the Constitution, the First Amendment, incorporated in part by the 14th Amendment, and further incorporated by Supreme Court decisions. These rights that we have bestowed upon ourselves exist only as long as they are respected within the legal order and so long as they are protected by that order. Without that we only have as many rights as we can sustain by our own strength or ability. A weak man soon discovers that he has few rights.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is not 1861....if the federal government came into astate and locked it down arrested people/killed people...it would be a battle cry across the union. Against the federal government.
    Not if that state was plotting to secede, lol. If it was we'd crush whoever took it as a 'battle cry'. Keep dreaming.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    In the Constitution, the First Amendment, incorporated in part by the 14th Amendment, and further incorporated by Supreme Court decisions. These rights that we have bestowed upon ourselves exist only as long as they are respected within the legal order and so long as they are protected by that order. Without that we only have as many rights as we can sustain by our own strength or ability. A weak man soon discovers that he has few rights.
    wrong!

    the 14th amendment states that state governments will not bridge the privilege and immunities and the rights of people, by granting congress the power to write federal legislation...to prohibit such action by a state.

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