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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    and that's why Texas is not acutely succeeding
    never said it was, and i don't want it to.....but i support the right of the people to alter or abolish their government, and make their own choices.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    war which also saved it from being spilt apart
    Yes indeed, so you feel that the right of self-determination was OK in 1776, but that since 1787-89 this right should no longer apply.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not really that stupid of an idea, Texas has a balanced budget, and just about every natural resource a nation could be blessed with.
    I can see Teaparty types supporting this, but then I don't imagine they'd peacefully and democratically vote to assume their portion of the national debt. Plus they'd have to find jobs for all of those federal workers and come up with their own postal service, national defense, etc. It's a dumb idea and would make more sense for Texas to rejoin Mexico. It's practically a Mexican state already anyway.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?


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    All kidding aside.....I believe that the good people of the State of Texas or any other state. Has the Right to self determination.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I support a constitutional amendment to establish procedures for peaceful secession.

    And until such an amendment is enacted, there exists no procedure by which any state may ever leave the Union for any reason whatsoever.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." --First Amendment to the United States Constitution

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I support a constitutional amendment to establish procedures for peaceful secession.

    And until such an amendment is enacted, there exists no procedure by which any state may ever leave the Union for any reason whatsoever.

    the constitution does not work that way......all powers which are delegated to the federal government are in the constitution, all powers which exist for the states are not in the constitution.

    this makes federal powers few and defined, while states powers are numerous and indefinite.

    federalist 45- The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.

    secession would be a state power

    James Iredell, Proposed Amendment, North Carolina Ratifying Convention

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    1. Each state in the Union shall respectively retain every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Constitution delegated to the Congress of the United States, or to the departments of the general government; nor shall the said Congress, nor any department of the said government, exercise any act of authority over any individual in any of the said states, but such as can be justified under some power particularly given in this Constitution; but the said Constitution shall be considered at all times a solemn instrument, defining the extent of their authority, and the limits of which they cannot rightfully in any instance exceed.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the people of the southern states chose to secede from the union, all states except tenn..by holding state conventions, while tenn. held a state referendum of the people.
    They did so by ignoring the law of the land and therefor the will of the people. And its called State secession, it is a dictatorial collectivist action which ignores all and any individual rights. And as such leaves zero recourse for those citizens in disagreement with the collective that wanted secession. The State government becomes a dictatorship from the onset of secession. Counties, municipalities, private entities, and foremost the individual would be powerless to stop any State legislation of any type. The only actual thing left to the individual would be to bear arms. But that would be difficult in the Marshall law like situation that the State would need to enforce at the onset of secession.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In a republic, the state is the people, entrusted to represent their will. Furthermore, if you believe polls, that extreme minority is about 25% of the state. Thats about 6 million people, which is twice the population of all the original 13 colonies combined.
    That is ignorant, the State is not the people, the State only represents the people. And no I dont believe your made up poll.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I suspect that Mexican Cartels would take advantage of a border State that seceded. That is if we ignored the fact that no State can secede. But if one did somehow, it would lose overnight a huge military protection. It would take years to prepare for such a change to a States government to work. But without the US Constitution in play within its borders and the ideology of those supporting secession, I wouldnt be surprised to see lots of corruption. There would be a immediate need for monies to be generated.
    You know what?

    That is an excellent point. Namely, that if Texas were to be allowed to secede, and if it were to secede, the cartels would plunge the state into a war zone.

    The states that didn't secede wouldn't have to fire a shot. Texas would self-destruct within years, maybe months.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    They did so by ignoring the law of the land and therefor the will of the people. And its called State secession, it is a dictatorial collectivist action which ignores all and any individual rights. And as such leaves zero recourse for those citizens in disagreement with the collective that wanted secession. The State government becomes a dictatorship from the onset of secession. Counties, municipalities, private entities, and foremost the individual would be powerless to stop any State legislation of any type. The only actual thing left to the individual would be to bear arms. But that would be difficult in the Marshall law like situation that the State would need to enforce at the onset of secession.
    since the people of the state choose to leave how are they ignoring the will of the people.

    the people of 1 state do not bow to the will of the people of another state.

    Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act.

    wrong......nothing can be dictatorial on secession.... if the people hold a convention, or a vote is put to the people


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