View Poll Results: Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    A State isn't (or shouldn't be) an end in and of itself.
    ok so what?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    ok so what?
    If the citizens decide the State isn't working for them, then the State loses its legitimacy and it should be threatened.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    when you no longer get representation or your rights are taken away ya

    but if you just don't like how elections and votes are going no

    democracy cant work if the loosing side can opt out whenever they please
    if a stated seceded it would be by the people of that state, by either state convention or referendum....the state government is not going to act on its own.


    TEXAS CONSTITUTION:

    Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    If the citizens decide the State isn't working for them, then the State loses its legitimacy and it should be threatened.
    how's that true when you have representation

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    how's that true when you have representation
    So the citizens do not have the right to determine that the State they belong to doesn't work for them?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a stated secede it would be by the people of that state, by either state convention or referendum....the state government is not going to act on its own.


    TEXAS CONSTITUTION:

    Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
    ya like that would be unanimous

    so what's to stop every one from seceding from the seceding state apparently as long as your not attacking some 1 that's ok now

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    ya like that would be unanimous

    so what's to stop every one from seceding from the seceding state apparently as long as your not attacking some 1 that's ok now
    not sure what you mean by the last line, ..can you reframe it?

    it does not have to be unanimous.

    the federal government is granted the power to stop insurrections in states, ..like a group pf people taking over the government.

    but the founders at the constitutional convention denied the federal government the power to preserve the harmony of the union - may 31st 1787


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    So the citizens do not have the right to determine that the State they belong to doesn't work for them?
    if they want to pass new laws fine so long as their constitutional

    swapping leaders is ok to

    cutting up the state into smaller states under the united states constitution ok

    but no you don't get to decide the law doesn't apply to you just because you feel like it

    I would not have supported the confederacy I don't support this

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    not sure what you mean by the last line, ..can you reframe it?

    it does not have to be unanimous.

    the federal government is granted the power to stop insurrections in states, ..like a group pf people taking over the government.

    but the founders at the constitutional convention denied the federal government the power to preserve the harmony of the union - may 31st 1787
    well if 1 part of the country can decide to leave at will then what's to stop smaller and smaller section doing the same thing in the territory that left

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    if they want to pass new laws fine so long as their constitutional

    swapping leaders is ok to

    cutting up the state into smaller states under the united states constitution ok

    but no you don't get to decide the law doesn't apply to you just because you feel like it

    I would not have supported the confederacy I don't support this
    I know what the Constitution is. And I know the current US framework denies the right to self-determination of its citizens. You are entitled to like this. I am entitled to dislike it on principle.

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