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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    guy iam not going to even argue this silliness.
    Im not your guy, babe. Youre probably on the wrong website though. This is a debate forum.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So long as you understand Im anti-federal govt. I dont generally have a problem with citizens, local govts, or the culture. Libertarians support liberty. Govt is a tool to secure liberty. If its no longer doing so we have a duty to oppose it.
    The Federal Government is the method of our Union. The Constitution is the details of our Federal Government/our Union. Our Republican form of Government is a part of our American culture, it is our heritage. The Constitution was designed to protect our freedoms and our liberties. But you want to burn our Constitution. And that is a attack on our liberties and our freedoms. Without our Constitution there is no protections from the people who wish to take our liberties our unalienable rights away.

    Say a State secedes. The State Government is the ONLY government for that State now. There goes the checks and balances. If that State decides that Sharia Law is the way to go (or any other liberty robing ideological rot) then there would be zero recourse for the citizens. There would be no Constitution that kept the State from obliterating our rights. The State being the end all could change their own Constitution into any form that they wanted. Nazism, Communism or any other ism is open season.

    You seem to only point to the means to our demise.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So you dont beleive in unalienable rights to liberty? Self governance?
    I don't believe in an inalienable right to anything. There are things that I believe are extremely valuable but there is always a scenario, always a circumstance, where I could see a particular right, a particular liberty, being capped. People can desire self-governance for a terrible purpose and I wouldn't endorse their struggle because it's rooted in 'liberty' anymore than I'd support the right of ISIS to establish an Islamic Emirate by popular referendum. Similarly even a benign desire for self-government can have a terrible result and can therefore be opposed.

    I believe the United States is an essential strut of Western and Democratic civilization, that secession would be horrendous for the Union and by extension the world, and therefore I vehemently oppose secession and would see it crushed.

    Furthermore I abhor the lingering petty regionalist sentiment that exists in the United States and I'm glad that increasing mobility, immigration, and the like are finally beginning to dilute it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The Federal Government is the method of our Union. The Constitution is the details of our Federal Government/our Union. Our Republican form of Government is a part of our American culture, it is our heritage. The Constitution was designed to protect our freedoms and our liberties. But you want to burn our Constitution. And that is a attack on our liberties and our freedoms. Without our Constitution there is no protections from the people who wish to take our liberties our unalienable rights away.

    Say a State secedes. The State Government is the ONLY government for that State now. There goes the checks and balances. If that State decides that Sharia Law is the way to go (or any other liberty robing ideological rot) then there would be zero recourse for the citizens. There would be no Constitution that kept the State from obliterating our rights. The State being the end all could change their own Constitution into any form that they wanted. Nazism, Communism or any other ism is open season.

    You seem to only point to the means to our demise.
    The federal govt ignores the constitution, and most of the country doesnt care. Which is why it has to be left behind.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't believe in an inalienable right to anything. There are things that I believe are extremely valuable but there is always a scenario, always a circumstance, where I could see a particular right, a particular liberty, being capped. People can desire self-governance for a terrible purpose and I wouldn't endorse their struggle because it's rooted in 'liberty' anymore than I'd support the right of ISIS to establish an Islamic Emirate by popular referendum. Similarly even a benign desire for self-government can have a terrible result and can therefore be opposed.

    I believe the United States is an essential strut of Western and Democratic civilization, that secession would be horrendous for the Union and by extension the world, and therefore I vehemently oppose secession and would see it crushed.

    Furthermore I abhor the lingering petty regionalist sentiment that exists in the United States and I'm glad that increasing mobility, immigration, and the like are finally beginning to dilute it.
    Well there we go then. A fundamental difference that cant be bridged. Which is why some of us need to leave it behind.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    im not your guy, babe. Youre probably on the wrong website though. This is a debate forum.
    no you are not, because i cannot belive what you saying at all, because it makes no sense.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well there we go then. A fundamental difference that cant be bridged. Which is why some of us need to leave it behind.
    Feel free to emigrate. You are welcome to leave the land you just cant take the land with you.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Feel free to emigrate. You are welcome to leave the land you just cant take the land with you.
    Sure I can, I own it.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The federal govt ignores the constitution, and most of the country doesnt care. Which is why it has to be left behind.
    Even minorities with extreme motives (like you) have freedom of speech. You also are enjoying your liberties as we speak. And most Americans do care, unless you have been under a rock it should be obvious. So your concerns do not warrant taking over and destroying America. You are in for a bigger fight than you believe. After all it is people like you that real AMericans cherish their right to bear arms against foreign and domestic threats.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Sure I can, I own it.
    Yep. Within the Union. I'm not going to bow so low at the altar of property rights that I'll acknowledge the right of every individual land owner to say whether or not their land belongs in X or Y country. Some things are more important than the individual.

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