View Poll Results: Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    A nice exposition of the theory that the people belong to the State, rather than the reverse.
    Society and Civilization matter. I'm perfectly willing to constrain your liberties in furtherance of them. Liberty is hardly the only virtue.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Society and Civilization matter. I'm perfectly willing to constrain your liberties in furtherance of them. Liberty is hardly the only virtue.
    Indeed, following your logic a military dictatorship and respression is much better than giving in to something like popular will.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Indeed, following your logic a military dictatorship and respression is much better than giving in to something like popular will.
    It would depend on the circumstances. Certainly dictatorship is preferable to following the mob in some instances. If the military had been able and willing to move against Hitler after the Enabling Act was passed I'd say a period of military dictatorship would have been the preferable outcome. Only fanatics deal in absolutes.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that cannot be done, except with the consent of the people of the state.

    the state belongs to the people of the state as a whole.
    No it doesnt. The state is only a manager. Land belongs to individuals.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Self-determination, like everything else, must be wedded to an admirable purpose. Preventing the splintering of the Union is more admirable and offers more utility than any argument I've ever heard for secession. I could care less if people within an artificially defined space decide they want to leave. If they want to go they can leave the country, but the country isn't going with them. The economic, military, and cultural contribution of the area of land known as Texas, of the people living within that area, and the property and resources therein, are of great value to the country and will be retained.

    Fortunately this is an idle fear. Secessionism would be strangled in its cradle.
    So you dont beleive in unalienable rights to liberty? Self governance?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The more targets the merrier. So much for you guys being patriotic though. Anti-Union is very much anti-American. And as such then please give your anti-American movement a go. It would be good to weed out those that hate America.
    What guys are you talking about? I never claimed to be a patriot.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    We have a system set up to change our Government and laws. We are a Republic.

    It's worked pretty damn good for lo these many years.

    If the people don't like their government, they have the power to alter or abolish it peaceably. The colonies did not have that power.

    Now, if you don't believe that, then ok. Have your anarchy
    No on is arguing for anarchy, only smaller political units with like minded people.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What guys are you talking about? I never claimed to be a patriot.
    Libertarians are always beating the patriotic drum. But at least you are honest about your anti-American position.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No it doesnt. The state is only a manager. Land belongs to individuals.
    guy iam not going to even argue this silliness.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Libertarians are always beating the patriotic drum. But at least you are honest about your anti-American position.
    So long as you understand Im anti-federal govt. I dont generally have a problem with citizens, local govts, or the culture. Libertarians support liberty. Govt is a tool to secure liberty. If its no longer doing so we have a duty to oppose it.

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