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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    A war between the state of Texas and the USA would be laughably short.
    It wouldnt be war, it would be a few nutcases trying to attack the State first.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The minority neo-confederate secessionists like to pretend that the Civil War was not legally decisive.

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    No State Government can remove US citizenship from a US citizen. Secession would violate the US Constitution. Texas's Constitution affirms that the US Constitution is the law of the land, that their powers are not above it. It is impossible for a State to secede under the Constitution. End of story.
    Liberty is an unalieanable right. End of story.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Liberty is an unalieanable right. End of story.
    Well then by all means try and secede. Please.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Secession was a pretty big alteration. Which abolished the US govt in those states.

    What part of that isnt getting through?
    They didn't abolish the US Government.

    <note the US Government still functioned during the war and -- if you hadn't noticed, is still here>

    The states never actually seceded -- they were States in Rebellion.


    They lost. End of story.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well then by all means try and secede. Please.
    If enough people were willing, I would join them.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    They didn't abolish the US Government.

    <note the US Government still functioned during the war and -- if you hadn't noticed, is still here>

    The states never actually seceded -- they were States in Rebellion.


    They lost. End of story.
    Britain is still here today, too.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Britain is still here today, too.
    Whoooosh.

    Did you bother to look at this? :The American Revolution … Not the American Secession


    Here -- I'll give you a snip, as I'm pressed for time and this explains it better than I could ATM,

    "The two situations were not comparable in critical ways.

    The colonies of Great Britain in North America were not equal partners within the British empire or contracting agents agreeing to a contract. Their legal existence came from above (the empire); they did not form it as a founding party or join it as an independent state.

    Indeed, if you know anything about the coming of the Revolution, you should know that during the period 1763 to 1775 American colonists insisted that they enjoyed the rights of Englishmen while the empire said otherwise. But one looks in vain to assertions that Virginia was equal to England, for example, or that New York was equal to Scotland.

    The links were drawn on the individual level: that is the language of the Declaration of Independence, which was not called the Declaration of Secession. “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” refers to people as individuals, not to colonies aspiring to be states. The social contract was between individuals who established a government, not between member states. By definition, the colonists did not establish the empire, although they were a part of it.

    Defenders of secession try to deny that secession was an act of treason (after all, if secession’s a legitimate constitutional right, then exercising that right can’t be an act of treason). Where secession was, indeed, an act of treason depends on whether on sees secession as constitutional. In contrast, the revolutionaries grounded their argument on a right to revolution, a natural right (not a constitutional right) and accepted the possible consequences."

    More at link.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im saying those 35% have a right to self governance. And the other 65% can stay with the union if they like. Liberty is an individual right.

    Consider that 35% of texas is 3x as many people as the entire 13 colonies.
    i will ask another way, are you saying the 35% can take Texas out of the union, over the 65% .....or split the state and remove themselves?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Whoooosh.

    Did you bother to look at this? :The American Revolution … Not the American Secession


    Here -- I'll give you a snip, as I'm pressed for time and this explains it better than I could ATM,

    "The two situations were not comparable in critical ways.

    The colonies of Great Britain in North America were not equal partners within the British empire or contracting agents agreeing to a contract. Their legal existence came from above (the empire); they did not form it as a founding party or join it as an independent state.

    Indeed, if you know anything about the coming of the Revolution, you should know that during the period 1763 to 1775 American colonists insisted that they enjoyed the rights of Englishmen while the empire said otherwise. But one looks in vain to assertions that Virginia was equal to England, for example, or that New York was equal to Scotland.

    The links were drawn on the individual level: that is the language of the Declaration of Independence, which was not called the Declaration of Secession. “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” refers to people as individuals, not to colonies aspiring to be states. The social contract was between individuals who established a government, not between member states. By definition, the colonists did not establish the empire, although they were a part of it.

    Defenders of secession try to deny that secession was an act of treason (after all, if secession’s a legitimate constitutional right, then exercising that right can’t be an act of treason). Where secession was, indeed, an act of treason depends on whether on sees secession as constitutional. In contrast, the revolutionaries grounded their argument on a right to revolution, a natural right (not a constitutional right) and accepted the possible consequences."

    More at link.
    how is secession illegal, since you can only quote the court, which is part of the federal government the southern states are leaving.

    WHILE the founding fathers state the federal government has no power to stop a state from leaving the union....convention note may 31st 1787

    WHILE it was taught before the civil war, that secession was up to a states to decide....."view of the constitution" 1829

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Whoooosh.

    Did you bother to look at this? :The American Revolution … Not the American Secession


    at link.
    Yes, its also wrong. The right to liberty superceeds contracts or kingdoms. Thats the whole point of the Declaration. Individuals have an unalienable right to be free.

    Now, if you dont beleive that, then ok. Agree to disagree.

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