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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Don't forget the Mexican illegals, uh/er immigrants, who will be bamboozled into voting for Hillary, a tyrant in the making.
    Ofcourse that's all the democrats want them for is perceived democrat votes bought and paid for with welfare entitlements. However I don't think it would happen soon enough for "Hollery 2016".

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a state chose to secede it would have to come from the people...by convention or direct vote....as the southern states did...its an all or none affair.
    Yes we all understand that. However the thread hypothetical is impossible in Texas.

    Large portions of Texas are generational-Hard-Blue-Democrat-Voters with openly professed deep animosities towards Texas GOP. They will never leave the US. So the premise that they'd somehow "Change their minds and join their loathed GOP enemies" is deeply flawed and deceptive.

    The thread premise is the equivalent to believing that Los Angeles and San Francisco would choose to secede from the US with California conservatives. This is outright deception.





    Now that said, I (personally) believe and have always believed that in the next 100 years for sure racially and politically polarized Southern and Western states such as Texas, California, Arizona and a few others will have massive geopolitical-racial turmoil to say the least that may make the premise of this thread irrelevant frankly. There may be a much more bloody US civil war x2 that makes this thread and the idea of secession largely irrelevant. I seriously believe this is not just possible but likely in next 100 years.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes we all understand that. However the thread hypothetical is impossible in Texas.

    Large portions of Texas are generational-Hard-Blue-Democrat-Voters with openly professed deep animosities towards Texas GOP. They will never leave the US. So the premise that they'd somehow "Change their minds" in flawed.
    i did not mean they would change their minds....in order for the state to secede, a convention of the people must be held, or a vote of the people.

    people with the opposite views would vote, and the loser would have to accept the results.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i did not mean they would change their minds....in order for the state to secede, a convention of the people must be held, or a vote of the people.

    people with the opposite views would vote, and the loser would have to accept the results.


    Well and you're a perfect example of the type of person I mean to showcase as who exists in Southern states like Texas. Hard Right and Hard left and little to nothing in between. Those are also split racially near perfectly in accordance with left and right, which is why I do believe a US civil war is likely in said Southern states. (to which who knows what would happen, certainly Texas wouldn't secede, yet I imagine the country may never recover in terms of internal harmony seeing as I surmise that this civil war would be along racial lines instead of political ones ultimately.



    The thread premise is silly though. Texas either way will always be part of US and if it ever did secede the US would simply kill all the secessionists and retake the US.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    The supporters of secessions notions that "The US would allow one of its largest economies to leave" says it all about this entire ideas intellectual capacity.

    This hypothetical is second grade level naivety at best to how things would play out.
    You forgot racist.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I'm against self determination.

    At any rate the U.S. Civil War settled this matter through the only currency that ultimately matters.

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    Why are you against self determination?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm not an American but you can look at the Northern Ireland example. That a lagre mayority of the Irish wanted indepence and got it. But you also hade a mayority against indepence in the north and also UK hade a intresent of keeping that area. So North Ireland became still a part of UK. Constisting of mostly areas against indepence but also some for indepence but with a total mayority in North Ireland for being part of the UK. That if Texas would want to suceed and be allowed maybee USA would demand South Texas constisting of the entire boarder region be a state in the Union because a mayority their would want to stay in the union?
    Why not? Self governance is an individual right. Doesnt mean they will like it, but I respect their right to try.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i did not mean they would change their minds....in order for the state to secede, a convention of the people must be held, or a vote of the people.

    people with the opposite views would vote, and the loser would have to accept the results.
    Why? Would the founders have accepted losing a vote to the UK citizens who outnumbered the colonies 4-1? Freedom is inherint. It doesnt require consent of others.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Why are you against self determination?
    already explained

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You forgot racist.
    I don't really perceive secessionists as racist honestly. Non realists maybe to be sure as the US would never allow it, but racists I don't think so. The dim reality of many Southern and South Western states is we never had large industry. We never had that middle period of wealth that the Northern US had. Our class structures aren't as developed and tenured. That said, the race issues in these states are much different than in the North. Many in the North cannot and never will understand the racial aspect of the American South and South West.

    States like Texas and California where you have truisms such as "White = GOP, Left = Mexican/Hispanic" and that's actually how it is statistically overall, that presents immense problems in the future for America. I don't think those rifts will end up in peace. The American South, South West politics are extremely polarized and factionalized along racial economic lines. Those generational blue Hispanics aren't going to all become GOP nor are the white generational GOP becoming democrats and what this means is likely a civil war in the future in the South West and South and in California that, in my opinion, will end up being largely racial with in the end the US coming out of that civil war a very different nation and people.


    I do not believe that it will be an issue of secession. I believe what in the next 50-100 years you will have is states like California, Arizona and Texas as well as potentially others engaged in "Internal Class/Racial civil wars" that fundamentally change the country. I also believe the factions of that future South/SouthWest civil war aren't yet necessarily in existence which is why speaking about it now is somewhat convoluted admittedly.


    To give you an idea of just what I mean. Imagine how Hard Red, how fanatically conservative even your average Texas or Arizona GOP person is. Now speed up 50 years into future when Texas and Arizona are 68-70% lower class Mexican and those middle + upper class GOP people are even more conservative. I think you can begin to imagine how untenable that situation will be.
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