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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Good points. Another thing that a lot of these secessionists aren't thinking of is if Texas becomes its own country, there go all those federal subsidies, which means that Texas would have to levy higher taxes to make up the difference.
    There also goes

    1) One third of the U.S. power grid
    2) Most American refining and petro chemical capability.
    3) A sizable chunk of the U.S. military.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it makes sense in any nation of any size, anywhere on the planet.
    hell, it's the cardinal principle behind international law... it's been codified by the UN.

    it's , you know, kind of a big deal.
    It is a horrendously bad idea. Human beings should learn to live together rather than requiring their neat little enclaves among their "own kind".

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I kinda have to agree here. People should be able to decide for themselves how they will be governed.

    The question is, would it require overwhelming support from the rest of the country, too? I'm not certain either way. Fortunately, it's not going to be an issue either way.
    I don't think so...however it would have to have overwhelming support in Texas. I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I doubt that this nation will be stupid enough to elect another tyrant like Obama any time soon.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texans.
    Then no. Texas is not the stand alone land that they sometimes think they are. We are a republic and much investment in Texas belongs to the other 49 states just as Texas has a stake in the rest of the country.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm not an American but you can look at the Northern Ireland example. That a lagre mayority of the Irish wanted indepence and got it. But you also hade a mayority against indepence in the north and also UK hade a intresent of keeping that area. So North Ireland became still a part of UK. Constisting of mostly areas against indepence but also some for indepence but with a total mayority in North Ireland for being part of the UK. That if Texas would want to suceed and be allowed maybee USA would demand South Texas constisting of the entire boarder region be a state in the Union because a mayority their would want to stay in the union?

    I live in Texas and have all my life and I can tell you Texas GOP has the same fervent ideological lunacy as California DNC or NYC does. They're 100% partisan, closed minded people (Just like many SF/NYC/Chicago DNC) who don't factor in how things would actually play out at all.

    (For instance, South Texas would choose to stay in the Union, yet these people hate that truth so much that they simply refuse to talk about it because it "messes up their plans" and they know it.) Not to mention all the major urban economic hubs of Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin the state capital are dark blue and would also insist on staying.

    Can you imagine that? Texas would vote to somehow peacefully secede with its capital refusing to do so as well as Houston and Dallas? It makes no sense.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I live in Texas and have all my life and I can tell you Texas GOP has the same fervent ideological lunacy as California DNC or NYC does. They're 100% partisan, closed minded people (Just like many SF/NYC/Chicago DNC) who don't factor in how things would actually play out at all.

    (For instance, South Texas would choose to stay in the Union, yet these people hate that truth so much that they simply refuse to talk about it because it "messes up their plans" and they know it.) Not to mention all the major urban economic hubs of Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin the state capital are dark blue and would also insist on staying.

    Can you imagine that? Texas would vote to somehow peacefully secede with its capital refusing to do so as well as Houston and Dallas? It makes no sense.
    dear lord ... go look up the word "hypothetical" and stop whining.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Good points. Another thing that a lot of these secessionists aren't thinking of is if Texas becomes its own country, there go all those federal subsidies, which means that Texas would have to levy higher taxes to make up the difference.
    there would certainly be a restructuring of the tax system...no doubt about it.
    as for federal subsidies... that goes both ways... Texas would no longer be sending federal taxes to DC... I'm fairly certain Texas , and it's citizens, send more to DC than they receive in subsidies.

    there would necessarily be a whole lot of details to hash out before the split occurred...I'm not too sure anyone in Texas or DC is actually capable of hashing out those details....much like a lot of people on this forum , all they care about is party party party.... and with a lil race baiting thrown in for flavor.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    It is a horrendously bad idea. Human beings should learn to live together rather than requiring their neat little enclaves among their "own kind".
    you are free to have your opinion... but the planet has pretty much adopted self determination as a pinnacle principle.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I don't think so...however it would have to have overwhelming support in Texas. I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I doubt that this nation will be stupid enough to elect another tyrant like Obama any time soon.
    Don't forget the Mexican illegals, uh/er immigrants, who will be bamboozled into voting for Hillary, a tyrant in the making.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I live in Texas and have all my life and I can tell you Texas GOP has the same fervent ideological lunacy as California DNC or NYC does. They're 100% partisan, closed minded people (Just like many SF/NYC/Chicago DNC) who don't factor in how things would actually play out at all.

    (For instance, South Texas would choose to stay in the Union, yet these people hate that truth so much that they simply refuse to talk about it because it "messes up their plans" and they know it.) Not to mention all the major urban economic hubs of Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin the state capital are dark blue and would also insist on staying.

    Can you imagine that? Texas would vote to somehow peacefully secede with its capital refusing to do so as well as Houston and Dallas? It makes no sense.
    if a state chose to secede it would have to come from the people...by convention or direct vote....as the southern states did...its an all or none affair.
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