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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I guess that would depend on whether or not those retirees retained their US citizenship or not.... if they were US citizens , but living in Texas, they would still get their benefits...if the chose to become Texas citizens, they be cut off.
    I would think that if you have lived in Texas for at least a year, then you are a Texas citizen. I don't live in Texas, but it was a question, none the less, and I would think that if a person is a US government worker or retiree, they would not be interested in secession, since they took an oath the day they were employed to uphold, support, and defend the United States and its Constitution. Things are a lot different now than in the 1850's and 60's.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    nope, it was a stupid post...why would i like it?

    I'm not pretending anything...this is like the 3rd time you blatantly lied like that... you would best served not to get the reputation as a liar.


    Why can't you answer the topic of Texas Democratic Hard Blue regions refusing to secede from the US? Why can't you talk about that? You seem to just call people names and cuss at people when this is brought up.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I would think that if you have lived in Texas for at least a year, then you are a Texas citizen. I don't live in Texas, but it was a question, none the less, and I would think that if a person is a US government worker or retiree, they would not be interested in secession, since they took an oath the day they were employed to uphold, support, and defend the United States and its Constitution. Things are a lot different now than in the 1850's and 60's.
    living here a year might make you a resident.. but residency isn't the same as citizenship.

    I know quite a few retirees in South America... they are residents of Colombia, but US citizens... they get their retirement benefits just fine.
    why would it be any different if Texas became it's own nation?

    I don't know if these retirees would vote for secession or not..or for what reason... individual choices are kinda worthless to attempt to address.

    and yes, things are a lot different now...which is why it strikes me as odd that folks immediately revert to civil war arguments when talking about the subject.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Why can't you answer the topic of Texas Democratic Hard Blue regions refusing to secede from the US? Why can't you talk about that? You seem to just call people names and cuss at people when this is brought up.

    I don't address that topic because it's irrelevant.

    had you read the OP, you would understand Texas had a vote and overwhelmingly voted to secede
    you bringing up folks who wouldn't support secession doesn't matter one bit.... in this hypothetical, in this thread, your people lost the vote to secede.

    if you want to discuss a wholly different scenario... feel free to create you own thread.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't address that topic because it's irrelevant.

    had you read the OP, you would understand Texas had a vote and overwhelmingly voted to secede
    you bringing up folks who wouldn't support secession doesn't matter one bit.... in this hypothetical, in this thread, your people lost the vote to secede.

    if you want to discuss a wholly different scenario... feel free to create you own thread.
    Good man. The ability to think abstractly, a subset of which includes ithe ability to conduct thought experiments and deal in hypotheticals, is a hallmark of higher intelligence.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so not having enough land is your reason why you don't believe a people should be able to determine the government they live under?

    i guess that works in strictly utilitarian terms... it's just odd to me, as an American, to come across folks who oppose self determination.
    Self determination is something that sounds good in theory. And maybe it is good for a tiny nation of four million people living along the East Coast.

    It makes no sense in a continent sized nation with one third of a billion people. .

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Self determination is something that sounds good in theory. And maybe it is good for a tiny nation of four million people living along the East Coast.

    It makes no sense in a continent sized nation with one third of a billion people. .
    it makes sense in any nation of any size, anywhere on the planet.
    hell, it's the cardinal principle behind international law... it's been codified by the UN.

    it's , you know, kind of a big deal.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't address that topic because it's irrelevant.

    had you read the OP, you would understand Texas had a vote and overwhelmingly voted to secede
    you bringing up folks who wouldn't support secession doesn't matter one bit.... in this hypothetical, in this thread, your people lost the vote to secede.

    if you want to discuss a wholly different scenario... feel free to create you own thread.
    I'm not an American but you can look at the Northern Ireland example. That a lagre mayority of the Irish wanted indepence and got it. But you also hade a mayority against indepence in the north and also UK hade a intresent of keeping that area. So North Ireland became still a part of UK. Constisting of mostly areas against indepence but also some for indepence but with a total mayority in North Ireland for being part of the UK. That if Texas would want to suceed and be allowed maybee USA would demand South Texas constisting of the entire boarder region be a state in the Union because a mayority their would want to stay in the union?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I fully support the right of anyone in Texas who isn't happy in the USA to get out of the USA by the fastest available transportation.

    No one should be forced to stay where they're not happy.

    I hope that the door doesn't hit any of them in the butt.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    living here a year might make you a resident.. but residency isn't the same as citizenship.

    I know quite a few retirees in South America... they are residents of Colombia, but US citizens... they get their retirement benefits just fine.
    why would it be any different if Texas became it's own nation?

    I don't know if these retirees would vote for secession or not..or for what reason... individual choices are kinda worthless to attempt to address.

    and yes, things are a lot different now...which is why it strikes me as odd that folks immediately revert to civil war arguments when talking about the subject.
    Good points. Another thing that a lot of these secessionists aren't thinking of is if Texas becomes its own country, there go all those federal subsidies, which means that Texas would have to levy higher taxes to make up the difference.

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