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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Texas has all these things. There are a few very vocal groups in Texas who simply whine about not getting what they want during elections, which is hilarious since they do a lot of crap in Texas that many people in the other states find absolutely stupid, abhorrent, or just shake their heads over. This tells me that they have plenty of self determination and those whining otherwise are more like little kids or teenagers with a mindset that if they didn't have their parents around, their lives would be so much better.
    That is not what this thread is about. Your contention is that if tomorrow the vast majority of the inhabitants of Texas wante to turn Texas into an independent country the US should simply prevent this, if necessary by militarily suppressing this. I disagree.
    This is a principal discussion. Not a discussion about the current state of affairs or public opinion in Texas.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    SCOTUS couldnt have said it any better years ago.

    They joined the perpetual Union, outside of revolution, they cannot UNILATERALLY secede.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    SCOTUS couldnt have said it any better years ago.

    They joined the perpetual Union, outside of revolution, they cannot UNILATERALLY secede.
    That is indeed the official US line. Once you join the Union you sign away your democratic right to self-determination.

    Of course, nothing human is "perpetual".

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That is not what this thread is about. Your contention is that if tomorrow the vast majority of the inhabitants of Texas wante to turn Texas into an independent country the US should simply prevent this, if necessary by militarily suppressing this. I disagree.
    This is a principal discussion. Not a discussion about the current state of affairs or public opinion in Texas.
    No, they cannot leave. Doesn't matter if they do end up with a "vast majority of Texas" wishing to do so.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, they cannot leave. Doesn't matter if they do end up with a "vast majority of Texas" wishing to do so.
    Yes, that is my point. In your reasoning and in official US domestic policy the territorial integrity of the US trumps democracy, freedom and self-determination. I personally don't agree with that extreme Statist philosophy. But everybody is entitled to their opinion.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    There is no Constitutional mechanism for secession so for Texas or any state to leave it's via a Constitutional amendment or a successful rebellion. Neither is happening in the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    There is no Constitutional mechanism for secession so for Texas or any state to leave it's via a Constitutional amendment or a successful rebellion. Neither is happening in the foreseeable future.
    Rebellion is indeed the normal way a new country comes into being. It's how the US came into existence too.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I voted "yes" but the stipulation would be that they could not rejoin, then secede, then rejoin, then secede, then rejoin...

    If they wanted to leave, fine. Make it a 50 year minimum choice.
    The price for rejoining the rest of us would have to be pretty damn steep too.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I voted "yes" but the stipulation would be that they could not rejoin, then secede, then rejoin, then secede, then rejoin...

    If they wanted to leave, fine. Make it a 50 year minimum choice.
    The price for rejoining the rest of us would have to be pretty damn steep too.
    Obviously independence can't be a revolving door.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Sure. No region should be held captive in a nation it doesn't want to belong to, especially if it has a historical status of having once been independent, or is a separate culture from the main body of the nation.

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