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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    As a fellow Texan, I don't mean to offend anyone's "Pristine Republican Esq View of Texas" yet anyone who thinks that these Hard-Blue Democrat voting blocs that voted for Obama twice are going to "Support Secession" is simply naive. They will not (and do not). They'd instantly request military aid from the US and the US military aid would be near immediate.



    You cannot have secession without unanimous support overall which you do not have even remotely so.
    no one has even given a reason for the secession occurring and here you are arguing it wouldn't have support as if it is fact...

    you tell us, what is the reason for secession that you have running around in your head?.... share it with us so we can all be on the same page.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's cute that you believe a decision to peacefully and democratically secede is dependent on race and political party afiliation... and it's super cute you accusing others of lacking logic.
    Oh good sir no!

    I'm all for equality and harmony. I think good sir you simply don't like the reality that Texas isn't this nepotistic GOP stronghold where everyone wants to secede as you claim. The people of Houston, Austin, Dallas and San Antonio Texas as well as others would immediately ask for US military assistance so as the traitors could be executed.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The break would not be amicable. There is no way around that. You do not maintain your training bases in another country. You do not maintain a good portion of your military in another country on a regular, permanent basis. These things would take money to change.

    Then on the other side, most Texans do not realize nearly the costs that would incur trying to set up a sovereign nation, including setting up the various systems and agencies in place already thanks to the US government. There's the military, including new equipment costs and paying for bases. There would be obvious questions about those from Texas in military service in the US military (they signed contracts, and many of the career service members would be expensive to pay for if Texas offered to buy out their contracts, offering them equal time for their service to retirement). Then there's the post office, foreign embassies, spy networks (lord knows those would be necessary), and so many more. And there is very little reason that the US government would not demand that Texas compensate them for "national land". Establishing a currency takes money. Texas would have to provide their own border patrol, TSA type agency, drug enforcement type agency, and other agencies for things that the US government usually deals with.
    the bolded is in direct contravention to the spirit and letter of this thread... there are other threads on the subject matter that do not include a "peaceful secession" scenario.....

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Oh good sir no!

    I'm all for equality and harmony. I think good sir you simply don't like the reality that Texas isn't this nepotistic GOP stronghold where everyone wants to secede as you claim. The people of Houston, Austin, Dallas and San Antonio Texas as well as others would immediately ask for US military assistance so as the traitors could be executed.
    first, don't lie about what I have claimed... I have not claimed any amount of people would support anything

    2nd, it's super-uber-cute how you pretend to be for equality and harmony, and then directly call for the execution of traitors ... in a hypothetical scenario of peaceful secession that you have utterly warped into whatever sick bloodlust fantasy is running through you head.

    I have said nothign of the GOP or any other party... I haven't brought partisanship up whatsoever...you're the only one bringing up race and party.
    you must be so very proud to be the one person in here focused on race.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this i don't understand...who cares...would they be violating the rights of their Citizens,.... should be the concern
    That's what I am saying. Texas already pays the lowest wages in the country....they could pay even lower third world wages if they seceded and didn't have to worry about paying minimum wage.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's irony. All 50 states turn and look at Washington DC and say "yeah, we're not going to revolt per-se, we're just leaving the Union".


    How ironic!
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    first, don't lie about what I have claimed... I have not claimed any amount of people would support anything

    2nd, it's super-uber-cute how you pretend to be for equality and harmony, and then directly call for the execution of traitors ... in a hypothetical scenario of peaceful secession that you have utterly warped into whatever sick bloodlust fantasy is running through you head.

    I have said nothign of the GOP or any other party... I haven't brought partisanship up whatsoever...you're the only one bringing up race and party.
    you must be so very proud to be the one person in here focused on race.

    Me focused on race?



    You want to turn a state of another country into a "Blue Blood Banker/Oil Money Oligarchy" and you're claiming I'm the racist? Pretty heavy into the cool aid eh?



    You don't even know how impracticable the entire notion of secession is economically for Texas.

    -All the Texas oil industry investments are done through US banks, often northern owned.

    -A huge % of Texans are employed by the Federal govt directly and indirectly via military and other means.


    You'd have no support to secede. That qualifies as a traitor. Traitors are executed good sir in accordance with US law. I'm not advocating any person be executed. US law is.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the bolded is in direct contravention to the spirit and letter of this thread... there are other threads on the subject matter that do not include a "peaceful secession" scenario.....
    First, you didn't bold anything.

    However, I'll address this anyway. The OP scenario only says that Texas voted peacefully and democratically to secede. In other words, this wasn't a small group of people that went in and took over Texas violently, and then forced the secession vote. Or there was fighting among the people of Texas to either break away or not. There is no way your "the US lets them go peacefully without threat of war or troops sent in" scenario is likely to occur without some serious changes to our national government as well as the viewpoints of many people, as well as some serious changes to the US's military and other interests, which are currently in Texas.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not really that stupid of an idea, Texas has a balanced budget, and just about every natural resource a nation could be blessed with.
    And a heavy reliance on federal funded infrastructure

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    exactly...

    a peaceful secession inherently means a diplomatic agreement has been reached with the other states through some mechanism or another.
    if no agreement such agreement is reached, then we're no longer talking about a peaceful secession.

    too many folks here go right to civil war, slaughter, sanctions, nuclear subs ..blablabla... do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    above all, it's hypothetical.. and academic exercise.... and people are still losing their ****
    You are the one who misread the OP. There was no mention of anything outside of Texas being peaceful, only inside Texas. It was even clarified right there in the OP that he was discussing that the secession was peaceful from inside Texas.

    There simply is no way that we, the US, would agree to allowing Texas to secede without some major changes to US interests changing, including some redistributing of those several bases in Texas, some other sources of oil found outside of Texas as well as more refineries set up outside of Texas. I'm looking at this from a logical standpoint.

    But really this goes for any state, not just Texas. I would not support any of them seceding, and I would especially not support the US as a whole allowing one or a few states to secede. Honestly, I like this country so I don't want it to break apart, so I wouldn't support the entire thing or major portions of states breaking off either. I think this would be a very bad thing for everyone to do. There are way too many families spread out across the country. There would be so many issues. One state a person goes through they have certain laws, but then the very next state changes to different laws. And this wouldn't be the minor law changes we have now, but huge differences. We have a state that still has segregation in its state constitution. Many states still have laws against sodomy. Other states have laws on the books that are only unenforceable due to SCOTUS rulings.
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