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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You seem to not understand. Any talk of secession being likely in Texas would begin to be fought by the US government long before any vote ever made it up to the Texas state government. The first people that the US government would discuss the situation with would be those Fortune 500 companies. There is no way that the majority of them would support secession, but that would be even more cemented by the federal government showing them the outcome of secession. Then you would have at least the majority of those companies pushing against secession, including almost certainly an overwhelming campaign to gain opposition to the proposal. Then, if it still lost, many of these companies could simply help to usher in the federal troops, especially if they got some benefits from the government for opposing the secession and/or supporting the federal government as they came through to take down the secessionists.
    So now we're back on troops again?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'[ve seen your maps... you need to explain why you think race is a factor in any of this

    it's your argument to make, not mine to guess at.
    You think those Dark Blue areas of Mexicans on that map that voted twice for Obama are going to support Texas Session? You think the Dark Blue area of Houston with all those blacks and Mexicans that voted for Obama twice, you truly think they're going to sit there while you seceded?

    This is delusion. Pure delusion with no actual logic.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Neither side would suffer if the breakup were amicable. We could form a trade union similar to the EU, and have a mutual defense treaty. Texans don't dislike America, they love America, they just want a Jeffersonian democracy that's more in line with the original intent of the constitution.

    We'll have our own president, we'll lower taxes and have a smaller govt, we'll pray in school and guns will be legal, we won't have obamacare. But via treaties and such, would be happy to continue to trade freely and cooperate on defense matters
    The break would not be amicable. There is no way around that. You do not maintain your training bases in another country. You do not maintain a good portion of your military in another country on a regular, permanent basis. These things would take money to change.

    Then on the other side, most Texans do not realize nearly the costs that would incur trying to set up a sovereign nation, including setting up the various systems and agencies in place already thanks to the US government. There's the military, including new equipment costs and paying for bases. There would be obvious questions about those from Texas in military service in the US military (they signed contracts, and many of the career service members would be expensive to pay for if Texas offered to buy out their contracts, offering them equal time for their service to retirement). Then there's the post office, foreign embassies, spy networks (lord knows those would be necessary), and so many more. And there is very little reason that the US government would not demand that Texas compensate them for "national land". Establishing a currency takes money. Texas would have to provide their own border patrol, TSA type agency, drug enforcement type agency, and other agencies for things that the US government usually deals with.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You think those Dark Blue areas of Mexicans on that map that voted twice for Obama are going to support Texas Session? You think the Dark Blue area of Houston with all those blacks and Mexicans that voted for Obama twice, you truly think they're going to sit there while you seceded?

    This is delusion. Pure delusion with no actual logic.
    I think they would, yes. Support for Texas doesn't fall along party lines. Mexicans in Texas are for the most part very patriotic and love Texas.

    The only area that would object would be Austin.

    But, I believe Arkansas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico would want to leave with us for sure. Louisiana, and even Alabama would be candidates as well.

    You talk of those in Texas who wouldn't support us, you'll be surprised how many outside of Texas would support us

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the thread isn't about a civil war.. it's about a peaceful and democratic secession.
    Which is only possible with the assent of either every other state or the federal government.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So now we're back on troops again?
    It would happen if there was a vote in favor of secession. If the US is willing to use troops to support integration, to support a SCOTUS ruling is enforced, then there is no way they would not use troops if necessary to prevent a secession.

    As I've said though, that is a very unlikely scenario because there is little chance that the US government would not fight serious efforts to get a secession vote brought up without fighting it from many different directions. Hell, before a secession vote was taken, they could simply screw up the economy of a city near one of the US bases by posting the businesses as "off limits" to military personnel. And yes, this would be an underhanded tactic, but still one almost certainly likely and probably viewed as a necessary evil in comparison to having to send in troops or set up sanctions against Texas.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think they would, yes. Support for Texas doesn't fall along party lines. Mexicans in Texas are for the most part very patriotic and love Texas.

    The only area that would object would be Austin.

    But, I believe Arkansas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico would want to leave with us for sure. Louisiana, and even Alabama would be candidates as well.

    You talk of those in Texas who wouldn't support us, you'll be surprised how many outside of Texas would support us
    Not enough would support you. There is this belief that just because people joke about dropping one of our states or even some of them, that means that this is real, informed support. In reality, once you point out the many issues of us allowing any state to secede, many would be a lot less likely to support it.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think they would, yes. Support for Texas doesn't fall along party lines. Mexicans in Texas are for the most part very patriotic and love Texas.

    The only area that would object would be Austin.

    But, I believe Arkansas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico would want to leave with us for sure. Louisiana, and even Alabama would be candidates as well.

    You talk of those in Texas who wouldn't support us, you'll be surprised how many outside of Texas would support us


    As a fellow Texan, I don't mean to offend anyone's "Pristine Republican Esq View of Texas" yet anyone who thinks that these Hard-Blue Democrat voting blocs that voted for Obama twice are going to "Support Secession" is simply naive. They will not (and do not). They'd instantly request military aid from the US and the US military aid would be near immediate.



    You cannot have secession without unanimous support overall which you do not have even remotely so.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You think those Dark Blue areas of Mexicans on that map that voted twice for Obama are going to support Texas Session? You think the Dark Blue area of Houston with all those blacks and Mexicans that voted for Obama twice, you truly think they're going to sit there while you seceded?

    This is delusion. Pure delusion with no actual logic.

    it's cute that you believe a decision to peacefully and democratically secede is dependent on race and political party afiliation... and it's super cute you accusing others of lacking logic.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Which is only possible with the assent of either every other state or the federal government.
    exactly...

    a peaceful secession inherently means a diplomatic agreement has been reached with the other states through some mechanism or another.
    if no agreement such agreement is reached, then we're no longer talking about a peaceful secession.

    too many folks here go right to civil war, slaughter, sanctions, nuclear subs ..blablabla... do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    above all, it's hypothetical.. and academic exercise.... and people are still losing their ****

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