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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Secessionists have never been realists. It's an emotion-driven ideology. They resort to cussing at individuals who start to rationalize actual secession. They have no actual logic. It's all emotion with no plan. They don't even factor in the racial demographics of Texas or places that are critical to Texas such as Houston which is full of blacks and mexicans. They aren't rational.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are greatly overestimating Texas and underestimating the abilities of the US to cut Texas off. It wouldn't take long. There is no chance of those businesses moving immediately to Texas, and in that time, the US government could do a lot of damage to Texas and any company choosing to agree to secession.
    Sanctions would undeniably do a lot of damage to Texas, but they would unarguably cripple the U.S. as well.

    Texas has you by the balls, so any retaliatory action such as sanctions or war would devastate the U.S. and would be politically untenable.

    Aside from oil, the lack of which would grind the entire U.S. economy to a halt, you're talking something worse than the Great Depression if 53 of the Fortune 500 were suddenly blacklisted, sanctioned, and removed from the DOW.

    Wall Street would crash. Powerful people, political backers, would lose a lot of money. Retirement funds would go poof. People would be pissed off and angry.

    No president would allow that.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You think the rest of the nation would go to war with Texas, if we peacefully and democratically elected to withdraw via a statewide referendum?

    Why?

    I don't think the American people have that kind of bloodlust.

    I don't think you could get the general public to back a war which would A.) take the lives of countless relatives, friends, and loved ones of those on both sides B.) which would inevitably spill over to other states where people live and C.) which would inevitably be drawn out and bloody, as even if you did conquer and colonize Texas, a large part of the population own guns and are pretty diehard.

    I'm not buying it. I don't think it would come to war, this isn't the 1850's. I think if the people of Texas overwhelmingly wanted to secede, it would happen peacefully a la Scotland.
    I don't think it would come to that either... but I dunno, from reading the folks in this thread, I think we've underestimated the blood-lust... these folks can't even conceive of a peaceful secession... the only things in their heads is war, destruction, slaughter, and blood.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are greatly overestimating Texas and underestimating the abilities of the US to cut Texas off. It wouldn't take long. There is no chance of those businesses moving immediately to Texas, and in that time, the US government could do a lot of damage to Texas and any company choosing to agree to secession.
    Sanctions would undeniably do a lot of damage to Texas, but they would unarguably cripple the U.S. as well.

    Texas has you by the balls, so any retaliatory action such as sanctions or war would devastate the U.S. and would be politically untenable.

    Aside from oil, the lack of which would grind the entire U.S. economy to a halt, you're talking something worse than the Great Depression if 53 of the Fortune 500 were suddenly blacklisted, sanctioned, and removed from the DOW.

    Wall Street would crash. Powerful people, political backers, would lose a lot of money. Retirement funds would go poof. People would be pissed off and angry.

    No president would allow that.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sanctions would undeniably do a lot of damage to Texas, but they would unarguably cripple the U.S. as well.

    Texas has you by the balls, so any retaliatory action such as sanctions or war would devastate the U.S. and would be politically untenable.

    Aside from oil, the lack of which would grind the entire U.S. economy to a halt, you're talking something worse than the Great Depression if 53 of the Fortune 500 were suddenly blacklisted, sanctioned, and removed from the DOW.

    Wall Street would crash. Powerful people, political backers, would lose a lot of money. Retirement funds would go poof. People would be pissed off and angry.

    No president would allow that.
    Bull ****. Texas doesn't have any one "by the balls" because the US can last a whole lot longer without Texas than Texas can with sanctions imposed.

    And the same thing you describe happening would happen anyway if Texas left the US, so it would be a losing situation for the US to allow Texas to leave anyway.

    Show me which Fortune 500 companies would support Texas secession from the US first. Not just those that are based in Texas, but actually would support a secession. Evidence of this support please.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Secessionists have never been realists. It's an emotion-driven ideology. They resort to cussing at individuals who start to rationalize actual secession. They have no actual logic. It's all emotion with no plan. They don't even factor in the racial demographics of Texas or places that are critical to Texas such as Houston which is full of blacks and mexicans. They aren't rational.
    well, most of your babble isn't worth spit... but one thing did catch my eye.

    what on earth does race have to do with anything?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Bull ****. Texas doesn't have any one "by the balls" because the US can last a whole lot longer without Texas than Texas can with sanctions imposed.

    And the same thing you describe happening would happen anyway if Texas left the US, so it would be a losing situation for the US to allow Texas to leave anyway.

    Show me which Fortune 500 companies would support Texas secession from the US first. Not just those that are based in Texas, but actually would support a secession. Evidence of this support please.
    it's true the USA would hold out longer than Texas... and it's also true that the US would suffer greatly as well.


    in any event, y'all are still stuck on civil wars.... the bloodlust runs strong, i guess.

    I'll check back in later to see if we're back on topic or not.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think it would come to that either... but I dunno, from reading the folks in this thread, I think we've underestimated the blood-lust... these folks can't even conceive of a peaceful secession... the only things in their heads is war, destruction, slaughter, and blood.
    Some people are butthurt that we would even entertain the idea that we Texans might be better off without them. They resent our conservative values and our independent spirit. They resent that they can't kick us around at will.

    Losing Texas would be terrible for the U.S. and be a huge sign of weakness a la the breakup of the Soviet Union, so no doubt they would do all they could to hang on to us. But I don't believe war or sanctions would be feasible options. I think they inevitably would have to bribe us to stay, that's my hunch.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I would donate money toward the secession of California.....either that or selling it to Mexico.
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