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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is this a UT Austin wet dream?
    Just realism. The American Public didn't have the stomach to finish out wars in Vietnam or Iraq...but you think they're going to sit happily by and watch friends, relatives, neighbors and loved ones get butchered?

    Never happen.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You think the rest of the nation would go to war with Texas, if we peacefully and democratically elected to withdraw via a statewide referendum?

    Why?

    I don't think the American people have that kind of bloodlust.

    I don't think you could get the general public to back a war which would A.) take the lives of countless relatives, friends, and loved ones of those on both sides B.) which would inevitably spill over to other states where people live and C.) which would inevitably be drawn out and bloody, as even if you did conquer and colonize Texas, a large part of the population own guns and are pretty diehard.

    I'm not buying it. I don't think it would come to war, this isn't the 1850's. I think if the people of Texas overwhelmingly wanted to secede, it would happen peacefully a la Scotland.
    There doesn't have to be a "war". All we have to do is enact sanctions, refuse to recognize any Texas sovereignty, and remove all military funds into Texas (setup US bases there as not being allowed to get all their goods onbase, rather than off, do many of the things that have already been mentioned). Opposition doesn't have to result in violence unless Texas started it, although I'm sure they would claim it was justified due to the sanctions that would be likely to be imposed and the lack of recognition of their sovereignty as a nation on their own.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Just realism. The American Public didn't have the stomach to finish out wars in Vietnam or Iraq...but you think they're going to sit happily by and watch friends, relatives, neighbors and loved ones get butchered?

    Never happen.
    LOL realism? Whatever

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There doesn't have to be a "war". All we have to do is enact sanctions, refuse to recognize any Texas sovereignty, and remove all military funds into Texas (setup US bases there as not being allowed to get all their goods onbase, rather than off, do many of the things that have already been mentioned). Opposition doesn't have to result in violence unless Texas started it, although I'm sure they would claim it was justified due to the sanctions that would be likely to be imposed and the lack of recognition of their sovereignty as a nation on their own.
    And crash your own economy in the process? Where do you think you get your oil from? Where do you think the refineries and pipelines are? You'd have to shut down every Exon station in the United States, you'd not have semiconductors, and your military industrial complex (MacArthur Douglas, Raytheon, etc) are all headquartered in Texas

    We dominate the Fortune 500 with 53 companies. You gonna sanction them all?

    Would be economic suicide for both sides, as well as a national security risk, and hence would never happen.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Just realism. The American Public didn't have the stomach to finish out wars in Vietnam or Iraq...but you think they're going to sit happily by and watch friends, relatives, neighbors and loved ones get butchered?

    Never happen.
    There is no way they would "sit happily by" and allow their friends, relatives, neighbors, and loved ones get ousted from their property, or give up their US citizenship just because a "majority" of Texans wished to secede.

    Plus, most Americans recognize the problems that would inherently come with such an action. There would have to be some sort of agreement to such an action on a federal level, something that would not be likely to occur. Therefore, the proposition would face opposition, likely in the form of penalties placed on Texas when it comes to federal funding, and some of those already described. Texas could not live as a nation on its own without the US government agreeing to such a division from the start.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And crash your own economy in the process? Where do you think you get your oil from? Where do you think the refineries and pipelines are? You'd have to shut down every Exon station in the United States, you'd not have semiconductors, and your military industrial complex (MacArthur Douglas, Raytheon, etc) are all headquartered in Texas

    We dominate the Fortune 500 with 53 companies. You gonna sanction them all?

    Would be economic suicide for both sides, as well as a national security risk, and hence would never happen.
    Do you really think those companies would agree to the secession? Almost certainly not. They would leave Texas in a heartbeat before agreeing to secession with Texas, or work to help the US to oppose Texas, selling their oil to the US, without paying anything to Texas. There are plenty of things that the companies could do, because there is no way that those companies, or those major oil producers would support Texas in sovereignty.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is no way they would "sit happily by" and allow their friends, relatives, neighbors, and loved ones get ousted from their property, or give up their US citizenship just because a "majority" of Texans wished to secede.

    Plus, most Americans recognize the problems that would inherently come with such an action. There would have to be some sort of agreement to such an action on a federal level, something that would not be likely to occur. Therefore, the proposition would face opposition, likely in the form of penalties placed on Texas when it comes to federal funding, and some of those already described. Texas could not live as a nation on its own without the US government agreeing to such a division from the start.
    Texas couldn't make it on its own?

    I don't think you're taking an honest look at the scope of Texas' economy. If we were our own country, we'd have the 14tg largest economy in the world.

    The economy and population of Texas is roughly equivalent in size to that of Canada. We have a population of nearly 30 million, with two of the nation's top 5 metro areas being in the state. Texas is home to 53 Fortune 500 companies, or one out of every ten of the workd's largest corporations. We have an abundance of natural resources, and major shipping access via the Gulf of Mexico.

    Texas is probably the largest and most important contributor to the overall American economy, rivaled only by California in that respect. We would do just fine, just as Canada does just fine, and similar sized European countries do just fine.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Do you really think those companies would agree to the secession? Almost certainly not. They would leave Texas in a heartbeat before agreeing to secession with Texas, or work to help the US to oppose Texas, selling their oil to the US, without paying anything to Texas. There are plenty of things that the companies could do, because there is no way that those companies, or those major oil producers would support Texas in sovereignty.
    Have you thought that through? How would they physically sell their oil? You can't pick up an oilfield and move it. A refinery takes a decade to build and is a multi billion dollar investment. These companies are headquartered in billion dollar skyscrapers and are chiefly run by Texans. They couldn't just pick up and move.

    Conversely, I'm sure a lot of Anerican companies would be attracted to a Texas which surely would have a lower corporate tax rate and be more business friendly,being that we're conservatives and all

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Have you thought that through? How would they physically sell their oil? You can't pick up an oilfield and move it. A refinery takes a decade to build and is a multi billion dollar investment. These companies are headquartered in billion dollar skyscrapers and are chiefly run by Texans. They couldn't just pick up and move.

    Conversely, I'm sure a lot of Anerican companies would be attracted to a Texas which surely would have a lower corporate tax rate and be more business friendly,being that we're conservatives and all
    You are greatly overestimating Texas and underestimating the abilities of the US to cut Texas off. It wouldn't take long. There is no chance of those businesses moving immediately to Texas, and in that time, the US government could do a lot of damage to Texas and any company choosing to agree to secession.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texas couldn't make it on its own?

    I don't think you're taking an honest look at the scope of Texas' economy. If we were our own country, we'd have the 14tg largest economy in the world.

    The economy and population of Texas is roughly equivalent in size to that of Canada. We have a population of nearly 30 million, with two of the nation's top 5 metro areas being in the state. Texas is home to 53 Fortune 500 companies, or one out of every ten of the workd's largest corporations. We have an abundance of natural resources, and major shipping access via the Gulf of Mexico.

    Texas is probably the largest and most important contributor to the overall American economy, rivaled only by California in that respect. We would do just fine, just as Canada does just fine, and similar sized European countries do just fine.
    The economy of Texas is very much dependent on the US supplying many things, including business deals, open access to airspace, waterways, and many other things. There is plenty that can be done to cut off Texas, and ruin its economy til they had to give in.
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