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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    No.

    (As a Texan myself)

    Reasons:


    -The North is richer and more educated and has deeper class structure than the South thanks to the Civil War and past Northern industrialization. I'd say the Northern US is 50-75 years ahead of the South in terms of socioeconomic wealth.

    -Nearly 50% of Texas is a mix of Hispanic/Amerindian/Mexican (non Anglo/Germanic European).

    -Texas is 12% black. Parts of Houston, Dallas and other cities would simply start to burn once the Federal welfare benefits stopped coming in.

    -Many modern "Secessionists" do not understand that Texas's economy is massively dependent on Federal military expenditures and the like. (NASA, US BASES, NAVY, ARMY, AIR FORCE) to name a few. Texas's economy would crash in 10 minutes without it.

    -Texas's minority populations would become ungovernable because their Federal welfare benefits would stop. Texas's minority Hispanic/Amerindian populations are heavily located on the Mexican border for hundreds of miles. In many areas of South Texas, we're talking for hundreds of miles, there's less than 10% whites in any of those areas. The rest is 90% Mexican in many of those areas. It's very likely if Texas seceded that much of Southern Texas on the Mexican border would soon be Mexico for all legal intensive purposes or at minimum a "quasi unfunded Mexican state". Texas wouldn't be able to afford to govern those areas because they're completely currently dependent on the Federal government. Texas as a country wouldn't be able to afford to continue to subsidize them as the US Fed does currently.

    This is basically what Texas's Southern border would look like (actually this is what Texas currently looks like, imagine if you took away the Mexicans Federal benefits).

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah.. and everyone can drive a Mercedes... but you have to pay for it first.

    my passport cost 2 bucks.... but the fee was waived for active duty service members back then


    Yeah she was expensive too.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    No.

    (As a Texan myself)

    Reasons:


    -The North is richer and more educated and has deeper class structure than the South thanks to the Civil War and past Northern industrialization. I'd say the Northern US is 50-75 years ahead of the South in terms of socioeconomic wealth.

    -Nearly 50% of Texas is a mix of Hispanic/Amerindian/Mexican (non Anglo/Germanic European).

    -Texas is 12% black. Parts of Houston, Dallas and other cities would simply start to burn once the Federal welfare benefits stopped coming in.

    -Many modern "Secessionists" do not understand that Texas's economy is massively dependent on Federal military expenditures and the like. (NASA, US BASES, NAVY, ARMY, AIR FORCE) to name a few. Texas's economy would crash in 10 minutes without it.

    -Texas's minority populations would become ungovernable because their Federal welfare benefits would stop. Texas's minority Hispanic/Amerindian populations are heavily located on the Mexican border for hundreds of miles. In many areas of South Texas, we're talking for hundreds of miles, there's less than 10% whites in any of those areas. The rest is 90% Mexican in many of those areas. It's very likely if Texas seceded that much of Southern Texas on the Mexican border would soon be Mexico for all legal intensive purposes or at minimum a "quasi unfunded Mexican state". Texas wouldn't be able to afford to govern those areas because they're completely currently dependent on the Federal government. Texas as a country wouldn't be able to afford to continue to subsidize them as the US Fed does currently.

    This is basically what Texas's Southern border would look like (actually this is what Texas currently looks like, imagine if you took away the Mexicans Federal benefits).


    I have 2 words for you that put a massive wrench into your analysis.

    sovereign currency.

    you should probably learn what it's all about before you go believing that federal funds drying up in Texas would mean anything.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have 2 words for you that put a massive wrench into your analysis.

    sovereign currency.

    you should probably learn what it's all about before you go believing that federal funds drying up in Texas would mean anything.
    You have to have people willing to recognize your currency, something not likely to happen quick enough to actually save Texas from the problems he listed.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

    If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?
    Of course. Self governance is a founding principle of the US. We fought a war against Britain for that very right.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You have to have people willing to recognize your currency, something not likely to happen quick enough to actually save Texas from the problems he listed.
    you think Texas would wait until after disunion to address the issue of sovereign currency?... seriously?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have 2 words for you that put a massive wrench into your analysis.

    sovereign currency.

    you should probably learn what it's all about before you go believing that federal funds drying up in Texas would mean anything.

    Actually that doesn't even make sense. (in typical secessionist fashion)



    Texas's economy would simply crash. The US govt. would not recognize any Texas currency (it wouldn't matter as it'd be worthless) which means Texas would have no economy. Though the US wouldn't even have to do that. Texas would simply break up into regional factions. It would basically have no Southern border. The blacks and Mexicans would burn down completely the city of Houston (economic hub of Texas) once their Federal benefits stopped coming in.


    Your premise makes no sense. No US ally would recognize a "Texas currency".

    Not only that. I don't think you realize that historically speaking the Confederacy was an economically Communist Esq bloc in how it functioned. It forced its members to give it resources. Many a university professor with a Communist slant romanticizes that the Southern Confederacy was true, "Pure" Communism (and it sorta was).

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you think Texas would wait until after disunion to address the issue of sovereign currency?... seriously?
    They couldn't establish their own currency legitimately without declaring their intent while still attached to the U.S.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Actually that doesn't even make sense. (in typical secessionist fashion)



    Texas's economy would simply crash. The US govt. would not recognize any Texas currency (it wouldn't matter as it'd be worthless) which means Texas would have no economy. Though the US wouldn't even have to do that. Texas would simply break up into regional factions. It would basically have no Southern border. The blacks and Mexicans would burn down completely the city of Houston (economic hub of Texas) once their Federal benefits stopped coming in.


    Your premise makes no sense. No US ally would recognize a "Texas currency".

    Not only that. I don't think you realize that historically speaking the Confederacy was an economically Communist Esq bloc in how it functioned. It forced its members to give it resources. Many a university professor with a Communist slant romanticizes that the Southern Confederacy was true, "Pure" Communism (and it sorta was).
    why are you assuming the US wouldn't recognize their currency?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They couldn't establish their own currency legitimately without declaring their intent while still attached to the U.S.
    well duh.... are you under the impression we're talking about a secession effort like what occurred in the 1860s?

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