View Poll Results: Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by lol mike View Post
    I fully support the right of Texas to secede as soon as possible. After all, most Texans (those outside Austin), don't want to be Americans.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right, and the USA determined in a Civil War that ended with the South's resounding defeat that the USA would not be split up.

    We settled this on the battlefields of that war.
    so we, as Americans, can now dispense with the lie that we support self-determination...

    good to know.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is not correct ...to leave the u.s. the government wants people to pay a tax now.


    Thousands Renounce U.S. Citizenship Hitting New Record, Not Just Over*Taxes - Forbes

    In an unfortunate record, more Americans gave up their U.S. citizenship in 2014 than ever before. The chart below shows a steep uptick, and although the numbers arenít big in absolute terms, the trend is marked. The names of individuals who renounced their U.S. citizenship or terminated their long-term U.S. residency comes out quarterly. The published name and shame list is invariably incomplete.

    Still, it makes 2014 the highest year ever, with 3,415 total. In 2013, there were 2,999 published expatriates. That was a 221% increase. In that context, a 14% increase may not sound like much, but given the demand, the U.S. State Department raised the fee for renunciation from $450 to $2,350. That is more than twenty times the average level in other high-income countries. The State Department says it had to raise the fee given all the extra work they have to process people who are on their way out.


    Wrong. It's not a tax, it's a fee charged to cover the costs involved in the process.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong. It's not a tax, it's a fee charged to cover the costs involved in the process.

    mute point....the point is the door is not just open to leave the government wants money...which is why i highlighted parts of your post.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by lol mike View Post
    I fully support the right of Texas to secede as soon as possible. After all, most Texans (those outside Austin), don't want to be Americans.
    That's pretty funny...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    As a 5th generation Texan I do not support succession from a government and a country I think has been great to me. And I think these people that promote this are nothing but meager idealist with short sighted views

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    mute point....the point is the door is not just open to leave the government wants money...which is why i highlighted parts of your post.


    BS, why should the US government pay the costs involved for those who want to leave the USA? There's no such thing as a free lunch.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong. It's not a tax, it's a fee charged to cover the costs involved in the process.
    Why should one have to pay anything to renounce their citizenship? If the US incurs costs because someone has decided to no longer be a citizen that is the US's problem not the former citizen.

    And $2,350 sounds more punitive and covering administrative expenses.

    As a practical matter there's probably not much the US could do about it if the person refused to pay, except perhaps refuse entry if the person ever decided to return for a visit.
    Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    BS, why should the US government pay the costs involved for those who want to leave the USA? There's no such thing as a free lunch.
    Why should the former citizen?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    BS, why should the US government pay the costs involved for those who want to leave the USA? There's no such thing as a free lunch.
    thats not the point.....the point you made in your original statement was to the effect people could just exit an open door from the US, and they cannot because they have to pay to exit.

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