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Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon

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jonny5 said:
Well there we go then. A fundamental difference that cant be bridged. Which is why some of us need to leave it behind.
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Feel free to emigrate. You are welcome to leave the land you just cant take the land with you.
 
jonny5 said:
The federal govt ignores the constitution, and most of the country doesnt care. Which is why it has to be left behind.
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Even minorities with extreme motives (like you) have freedom of speech. You also are enjoying your liberties as we speak. And most Americans do care, unless you have been under a rock it should be obvious. So your concerns do not warrant taking over and destroying America. You are in for a bigger fight than you believe. After all it is people like you that real AMericans cherish their right to bear arms against foreign and domestic threats.
 
jonny5 said:
Sure I can, I own it.
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Yep. Within the Union. I'm not going to bow so low at the altar of property rights that I'll acknowledge the right of every individual land owner to say whether or not their land belongs in X or Y country. Some things are more important than the individual.
 
Sherman123 said:
Yep. Within the Union. I'm not going to bow so low at the altar of property rights that I'll acknowledge the right of every individual land owner to say whether or not their land belongs in X or Y country. Some things are more important than the individual.
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One individual could claim sovereignty, but fat a lot a good that it would do them considering the illegalities of our sovereign nation. United States of America vs sovereign individual. It never works out for them when they pretend that the law of the land doesnt pertain to them.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Even minorities with extreme motives (like you) have freedom of speech. You also are enjoying your liberties as we speak. And most Americans do care, unless you have been under a rock it should be obvious. So your concerns do not warrant taking over and destroying America. You are in for a bigger fight than you believe. After all it is people like you that real AMericans cherish their right to bear arms against foreign and domestic threats.
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Maybe you didnt see where minorities are rioting over their perceived lack of freedom. Freedom of speech isnt the only one. Rule of law, freedom to keep what I earn, privacy, to have control over my daily activites, have all been illegally curbed by the federal govt. And American DONT care because many of them dont vote, vote uninformed, or vote for the people curbing our freedoms.

Furthermore, no where did I argue for taking over or destroying america. You are free to continue your socialist paradise if thats what you want. Some of us want to go another way, on our own.
 
Sherman123 said:
Yep. Within the Union. I'm not going to bow so low at the altar of property rights that I'll acknowledge the right of every individual land owner to say whether or not their land belongs in X or Y country. Some things are more important than the individual.
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Which is exactly the mentality that we want to leave behind, the reason we need to dissolve all or part of the union.
 
jonny5 said:
Maybe you didnt see where minorities are rioting over their perceived lack of freedom. Freedom of speech isnt the only one. Rule of law, freedom to keep what I earn, privacy, to have control over my daily activites, have all been illegally curbed by the federal govt. And American DONT care because many of them dont vote, vote uninformed, or vote for the people curbing our freedoms.

Furthermore, no where did I argue for taking over or destroying america. You are free to continue your socialist paradise if thats what you want. Some of us want to go another way, on our own.
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Which you are free to do. Just don't labor under the delusion that you get to take your land with you. But if you do try (or stop paying taxes) you can thankfully expect a knock at your door from the police.
 
jonny5 said:
Which is exactly the mentality that we want to leave behind, the reason we need to dissolve all or part of the union.
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Again, you can think whatever you want. But you aren't 'dissolving' the Union (lol) and you aren't taking your property with you.
 
jonny5 said:
Maybe you didnt see where minorities are rioting over their perceived lack of freedom. Freedom of speech isnt the only one. Rule of law, freedom to keep what I earn, privacy, to have control over my daily activites, have all been illegally curbed by the federal govt. And American DONT care because many of them dont vote, vote uninformed, or vote for the people curbing our freedoms.

Furthermore, no where did I argue for taking over or destroying america. You are free to continue your socialist paradise if thats what you want. Some of us want to go another way, on our own.
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Bwhahaha I am not a ****ing socialist. In fact I am very anti socialist and there are plenty of posts on this site here that back that claim. I do always find it entertaining when people try to assign me to some ideology that they are against. It shows just how canned their arguments really are. Perhaps you should take your argument to a socialist since that is who you want to disagree with.


And by all means go on your own but dont you dare try to take any of American soil with you. That my friend would be an act of war. "E Pluribus Unum"
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Bwhahaha I am not a ****ing socialist. In fact I am very anti socialist and there are plenty of posts on this site here that back that claim. I do always find it entertaining when people try to assign me to some ideology that they are against. It shows just how canned their arguments really are. Perhaps you should take your argument to a socialist since that is who you want to disagree with.


And by all means go on your own but dont you dare try to take any of American soil with you. That my friend would be an act of war. "E Pluribus Unum"
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Perhaps you should calm down.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Perhaps you should since you are the one asserting ANti-American rhetoric.
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Im just having a debate. I have been calm and civil the entire time. Meanwhile you are laughing, swearing, writing with a condescending tone, attacking me personally, and implying physical threats. I realize youre being rhetorical, and would be happy to continue the debate in a civil manner.
 
jonny5 said:
Im just having a debate. I have been calm and civil the entire time. Meanwhile you are laughing, swearing, writing with a condescending tone, attacking me personally, and implying physical threats. I realize youre being rhetorical, and would be happy to continue the debate in a civil manner.
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Then by all means report my posts that you feel need reported.
 
jonny5 said:
Im having a debate, expressing an opinion. Read the forum rules.
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FFS dude cry to a mod, or get a tissue. My point was that I wasnt uncivil at all in this thread, and that if a minority group actually tried to get a state to secede that they would be treated as the anti- American neo-confederates that they are. Most people know that many in the military have given their all for this country and that any actual secession attempt would be met most likely violently by actual patriotic citizens Defending the good ole USA from domestic threats. That is one of the points of our second amendment rights. The secessionist would be shut down in less than a day by Americans.


But apparently to you this argument is being uncivil. Boy you are in for a shock if you ever try secession.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
FFS dude cry to a mod, or get a tissue. My point was that I wasnt uncivil at all in this thread, and that if a minority group actually tried to get a state to secede that they would be treated as the anti- American neo-confederates that they are. Most people know that many in the military have given their all for this country and that any actual secession attempt would be met most likely violently by actual patriotic citizens Defending the good ole USA from domestic threats. That is one of the points of our second amendment rights. The secessionist would be shut down in less than a day by Americans.


But apparently to you this argument is being uncivil. Boy you are in for a shock if you ever try secession.
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See, you just cant avoid making it personal.
 
jonny5 said:
See, you just cant avoid making it personal.
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Personal lol I guess that you where your heart on your sleeve.

What is wrong with having a Federal Government?

Once a State secedes it is the sole government, it has none of the checks and balances enforced by the US Constitution/Federal Government. It would be a government exactly in the form that you seem to fear. If a individual State secedes (take Texas as a example) its government would be very powerful locally. All the Federal laws and rules would be gone. The State Government could do whatever it wanted to do with anything standing its way. If a county or town objected there would be no recourse.
The State Government becomes a dictatorship overnight and voting power or representational powers are lost to the people of that State. You could say that nothing would change but that would be entirely dishonest or naive. The State would be free to make massive governmental changes with powers already invested in the States government. The people could object but it would be too late. Most likely the state would be acting on decree until the transformation was complete. But all that would cause a civil war to quickly break out. After thousands of lives were lost and the region starts becoming unstable enough for neighboring States to be affected the US government would sweep in and restore order. And then the tribunals would begin. ANd for a while during the reconstruction period Texas would be far worse off than they are now in their relationship with the Federal government.

SO State secession is a pipe dream void of all reality.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Personal lol I guess that you where your heart on your sleeve.

What is wrong with having a Federal Government?

Once a State secedes it is the sole government, it has none of the checks and balances enforced by the US Constitution/Federal Government. It would be a government exactly in the form that you seem to fear. If a individual State secedes (take Texas as a example) its government would be very powerful locally. All the Federal laws and rules would be gone. The State Government could do whatever it wanted to do with anything standing its way. If a county or town objected there would be no recourse.
The State Government becomes a dictatorship overnight and voting power or representational powers are lost to the people of that State. You could say that nothing would change but that would be entirely dishonest or naive. The State would be free to make massive governmental changes with powers already invested in the States government. The people could object but it would be too late. Most likely the state would be acting on decree until the transformation was complete. But all that would cause a civil war to quickly break out. After thousands of lives were lost and the region starts becoming unstable enough for neighboring States to be affected the US government would sweep in and restore order. And then the tribunals would begin. ANd for a while during the reconstruction period Texas would be far worse off than they are now in their relationship with the Federal government.

SO State secession is a pipe dream void of all reality.
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Hypotheticals are by definition void of all reality.
 
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