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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Nope. Absolutely not. Texas is here to stay. Forever. Period.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    So many of you talk about the law. The law is totally irrelevant here.

    So if 100% of Texans voted to leave America, some of you would be against it because it is against the law? That is ridiculous. The will of the vast majority has to take preference over the law.

    If all you care about is the law, then I suppose you support a law that cuts off people's hands for shoplifting...assuming it is already on the books? Or do you just support laws you like?

    The law is not there to restrict the will of the people. And if it is - then it is a bad law and should be ignored. And if the will of the vast majority of ANY region is to leave America, they should be allowed to do it. The only stipulation would be that they take their share of the national debt on a per capita basis. Otherwise, Bon voyage.

    Once you start forcing people to stay in a country against their will, then you are the Soviet Union on that score.

    As far as I am concerned, if 50%+1 Texans want to leave America and agree to take their share of the national debt with them...they should be allowed to leave; and I don't even begin to care if the Constitution says they can't.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We have the legal right to split in to 5 states.. That's 10 new senators from Texas. Would you be OK with 1/5th of the senators in the U.S. being from Texas?

    They would kick us out before they ever allowed that to finalize
    No you don't. Read article IV section 3 again. Congress has the authority to approve the making of a new state from parts of other states, assuming those states agree. NO ONE, including Congress has the right to subdivide a single state into multiple states. In short the resolution you point to is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only maintain a republican form while part of the union.

    they have not given away a right...first of all you cannot give away a right..second the us federal government, has verified by u.s. enabling laws, that state constitutions when the states entered the union, that there state constitutions...were not repugnant to the federal constitution and the principles of the DOI.......therefore no state constitution is outside of the law... on the right of the people to alter or abolish their government.
    And none of that implies in any way shape or form than if the people of NY a abolished theiir government they could legally enact a non republican form of government. Saying the people can abolish their government does not imply that they are unconstrained as to the form of a new government.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And they can, they can get up, pack their stuff and leave the United States. They are welcome to live anywhere else they want.
    A people should have claim to the land they live and work.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    A people should have claim to the land they live and work.
    Says who? I have claim to the land where I live and work only so long as I continue to pay for it and follow the applicable laws. It isn't mine forever magically.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Is that supposed to make some kind of sense?
    It's irony. All 50 states turn and look at Washington DC and say "yeah, we're not going to revolt per-se, we're just leaving the Union".

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Says who? I have claim to the land where I live and work only so long as I continue to pay for it and follow the applicable laws. It isn't mine forever magically.
    Says me. It is a value judgment. An opinion. Hence my use of the word "should" in my sentence.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So what happens if the federal government doesn't allow Texas to secede? If someone can vote themselves out of the US, can other people simply vote themselves in?
    this would only be an assumption.....

    the u.s. government would have to come in and take over the state by marshal law, and subdue the people, and maybe even kill, which would not be good go them because others all different states would rally against the government, and they would have to act against all states, this would bring in a already small tired military, which part of the military is not going to obey the federal government.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this would only be an assumption.....

    the u.s. government would have to come in and take over the state by marshal law, and subdue the people, and maybe even kill, which would not be good go them because others all different states would rally against the government, and they would have to act against all states, this would bring in a already small tired military, which part of the military is not going to obey the federal government.
    The will of the people of Texas vs the will of the Federal government - no contest. But as I stated before. The U.S. government could make life miserable on any state by imposing sanctions. And there's no state, including Texas that has all of the necessary resources to be an independent sovereign state/nation.

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