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Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

Would you support the decision of Texas to peacefully and democratically secede, if voted upon


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I'm not an American but you can look at the Northern Ireland example. That a lagre mayority of the Irish wanted indepence and got it. But you also hade a mayority against indepence in the north and also UK hade a intresent of keeping that area. So North Ireland became still a part of UK. Constisting of mostly areas against indepence but also some for indepence but with a total mayority in North Ireland for being part of the UK. That if Texas would want to suceed and be allowed maybee USA would demand South Texas constisting of the entire boarder region be a state in the Union because a mayority their would want to stay in the union?

Why not? Self governance is an individual right. Doesnt mean they will like it, but I respect their right to try.
 
i did not mean they would change their minds....in order for the state to secede, a convention of the people must be held, or a vote of the people.

people with the opposite views would vote, and the loser would have to accept the results.

Why? Would the founders have accepted losing a vote to the UK citizens who outnumbered the colonies 4-1? Freedom is inherint. It doesnt require consent of others.
 
You forgot racist.

I don't really perceive secessionists as racist honestly. Non realists maybe to be sure as the US would never allow it, but racists I don't think so. The dim reality of many Southern and South Western states is we never had large industry. We never had that middle period of wealth that the Northern US had. Our class structures aren't as developed and tenured. That said, the race issues in these states are much different than in the North. Many in the North cannot and never will understand the racial aspect of the American South and South West.

States like Texas and California where you have truisms such as "White = GOP, Left = Mexican/Hispanic" and that's actually how it is statistically overall, that presents immense problems in the future for America. I don't think those rifts will end up in peace. The American South, South West politics are extremely polarized and factionalized along racial economic lines. Those generational blue Hispanics aren't going to all become GOP nor are the white generational GOP becoming democrats and what this means is likely a civil war in the future in the South West and South and in California that, in my opinion, will end up being largely racial with in the end the US coming out of that civil war a very different nation and people.


I do not believe that it will be an issue of secession. I believe what in the next 50-100 years you will have is states like California, Arizona and Texas as well as potentially others engaged in "Internal Class/Racial civil wars" that fundamentally change the country. I also believe the factions of that future South/SouthWest civil war aren't yet necessarily in existence which is why speaking about it now is somewhat convoluted admittedly.


To give you an idea of just what I mean. Imagine how Hard Red, how fanatically conservative even your average Texas or Arizona GOP person is. Now speed up 50 years into future when Texas and Arizona are 68-70% lower class Mexican and those middle + upper class GOP people are even more conservative. I think you can begin to imagine how untenable that situation will be.
 
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While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?

YES! I do support Texas being able to secede! And I hope they don't let the door hit them in the posterior on the way out! I support their "right" to secede as long as they get NONE of our nukes, none of our other military. Everything else that they need from America, they have to buy.

Why do I support Texas being able to secede? Because they would serve as a wonderful object lesson about what happens when modern-day conservatives are fully in charge, without them having a window forcibly installed in their navels by us liberals so they can see where they're going. Sam Brownback in Kansas is already serving as such an object lesson, but most of the nation hasn't really picked up on what's happening there...but if Texas seceded, yes, we'd ALL see what happens as a result.
 
Ofcourse that's all the democrats want them for is perceived democrat votes bought and paid for with welfare entitlements. However I don't think it would happen soon enough for "Hollery 2016".

Hillary has a lot of bad baggage right now, but there is a fool born any minute, so who knows what 2016 will bring?
 
YES! I do support Texas being able to secede! And I hope they don't let the door hit them in the posterior on the way out! I support their "right" to secede as long as they get NONE of our nukes, none of our other military. Everything else that they need from America, they have to buy.

Why do I support Texas being able to secede? Because they would serve as a wonderful object lesson about what happens when modern-day conservatives are fully in charge, without them having a window forcibly installed in their navels by us liberals so they can see where they're going. Sam Brownback in Kansas is already serving as such an object lesson, but most of the nation hasn't really picked up on what's happening there...but if Texas seceded, yes, we'd ALL see what happens as a result.

Great, lets make it happen then!
 
"To secede from the Union and set up another government would cause war. If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. It will take the flower of the country — the young men."


-Sam Houston
 
"To secede from the Union and set up another government would cause war. If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. It will take the flower of the country — the young men."


-Sam Houston

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

-Thomas Jefferson
-Benjamin Franklin
-John Adams

among others.
 
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

-Thomas Jefferson
-Benjamin Franklin
-John Adams

among others.

Secession is not revolution.

Difference.

The CSA was not attempting to alter the form of government of the United States
 
Hell yeah, but take Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the red states with you! :mrgreen:

Get rid of all those teet-sucking red states and you might find the US budget balanced....
 
Why? Would the founders have accepted losing a vote to the UK citizens who outnumbered the colonies 4-1? Freedom is inherint. It doesnt require consent of others.

so you are saying it if 35% of a state wanted to secede and 65% does not want to then state can go ahead and secede?
 
How about Texas seceding and entering into a federation with Mexico? I think Mexicans like Texas and there's a natural culinary crossover.
 
Secession is not revolution.

Difference.

The CSA was not attempting to alter the form of government of the United States

thats true.

however the southern statures were altering their governments of each state by no longer adhering to constitutional law which they left behind.

states even today have in constitutions the right to alter of abolish their state government.....and if that government is not compatible with the guarantee of article 4 section 4 it cannot be part of the union.
 
Just dumb then?



Eh no. US secessionists simply remind me of anarchists mostly.


The US is the best country to be a part of financially and in every other sense other than maybe Sweden or Norway (90%+ white Mecca rich countries). US secessionists simply aren't rational. They don't understand the world around them or ironically even the realities of their state in many respects. The average anarchist much like the average US secessionist lives in a bubble of like-minded people. The average Texas secessionist doesn't know their state or country or world outside of their comfort zone just as the average urban anarchist doesn't. Both are mutually uninformed.
 
I ABSOLUTELY support the Secession of Texas from the "Union". Its time for a DIVORCE! If you want to know what our nation has become, just go onto NPR. They will erase your posts, spit on you, call you a traitor for not loving Obama and liberalism, and SCREAM that NO ONE is allowed to leave! That's enough for me. I don't want to be ANY PART of a nation like that. God Bless, Texas! Nation of the Free!

Besides, were going to start disobeying and ignoring American law anyway. And that goes ditto for most of the other Southern States.
 
It is... thinkable .... that Texas... the only state with more Chinese-made American flags than a Tea Party rally.... is going... to secede?

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Lol, you do realize he's laughing at you America? He's laughing at the thought of You trying to stop us when HE'S GOING TO HELP US!
 
While unlikely anytime too soon, it's not unthinkable that one day, Texas might vote to secede from the United States and re-establish itself as an independent nation.

If done in a peaceful and democratic manner...that is, if the people of Texas overwhelmingly voted to withdraw from the U.S. In a referendum similar to the one recently held in Scotland, would you support the right of Texas to go her own way?

I would support their right to leave, so long as they clearly understood what they were losing when they left. They couldn't rely on the US for anything - at all. No social security, no welfare, no DOT helping keep the roads running smoothly. They'd be considered another country, so they couldn't call other states without incurring much larger charges on their phone bills, and while they already have state police, etc, they'd have to beef them up to handle border patrol, because border patrol is federal. I think there's a lot that maybe people don't think about when they talk about wanting to secede.
 
Eh no. US secessionists simply remind me of anarchists mostly.


The US is the best country to be a part of financially and in every other sense other than maybe Sweden or Norway (90%+ white Mecca rich countries). US secessionists simply aren't rational. They don't understand the world around them or ironically even the realities of their state in many respects. The average anarchist much like the average US secessionist lives in a bubble of like-minded people. The average Texas secessionist doesn't know their state or country or world outside of their comfort zone just as the average urban anarchist doesn't. Both are mutually uninformed.

Above you said they were lacking intellectual capacity, and had second grade naivety.
 
so you are saying it if 35% of a state wanted to secede and 65% does not want to then state can go ahead and secede?

Im saying those 35% have a right to self governance. And the other 65% can stay with the union if they like. Liberty is an individual right.

Consider that 35% of texas is 3x as many people as the entire 13 colonies.
 
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