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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    For everyone's reference....the population and economic size of Texas is roughly equal to that of Canada.

    That should assuage any fears or concerns that Texas would not be able to function on its own as an independent nation.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The Federal Government would no longer be financially responsible for their upkeep, that would be paid for by Texas going forward.

    Texans, in aggregate, have paid in to the federal fund pool as much as they have benefitted from it, so there would be nothing owed to Texans by the U.S. Govt or vice versa.

    A more interesting question would be what to do with Federal property that could not be annexed, such as NASA in Houston. I would imagine that Texas would be amicable toward allowing NASA to continue to operate within her borders, much as CERN operates within Swiss borders while belonging largely to the EU (of which Switzerland is not a member).
    Just because you payed for part of the infrastructures doesn't mean you get to keep them . When you rent an apartment even though you pay into it dose not make it yours , and when you want to leave or buy a house you don't keep the apartment building.

    In all honestly do you really think the US government would let you keep Nasa ?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    of course i would support it.... I would support any state seceding peacefully.

    unlike so many here, I actually believe self determination is a great thing....and i'm no fan of holding people hostage to a government they don't want.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I believe people should have the right to evade oppression and push for self governance. If TX wanted to secede I would support that, along with any other state wishing to do so.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, 30 million Texans, including 2 of the top 5 metro areas in the United Stares, and 52 Fortune 500 companies are just gonna walk in to the Gulf of Mexico because some guy in California says so. Lol.
    Most Texans aren't stupid enough to want to secede, it's only the religious morons who can't deal with gays getting equal rights and the loss of Christian superiority who keep playing the secession card and we know they don't actually have the balls to do anything serious.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Jokingly ( or not ) I would like to see Florida succeed , they can keep their oranges
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Definitely.

    It's their state...if they want to leave, let 'em.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Just because you payed for part of the infrastructures doesn't mean you get to keep them . When you rent an apartment even though you pay into it dose not make it yours , and when you want to leave or buy a house you don't keep the apartment building.

    In all honestly do you really think the US government would let you keep Nasa ?
    You can move it to California if you want. Was just offering to let you keep it running in Houston free of charge if that's more attractive to you than building a whole new set of facilities somewhere else, as scientific advancement benefits us all.

    No need for any potential split to be hostile, that's a point I think many here are missing

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Most Texans aren't stupid enough to want to secede, it's only the religious morons who can't deal with gays getting equal rights and the loss of Christian superiority who keep playing the secession card and we know they don't actually have the balls to do anything serious.
    You're right in one sense, the majority of Texans do not want to secede. I have seen polls ranging from 20-40 percent, depending on how the question is asked.

    You are wrong if you think you can boil Texas secessionist sentiments , which have been fairly constant since before the Civil War, down to fad issues of the day like public religion and gay rights. One has to keep in mind Texas' unique history and situation.

    Texas is the only state that was once it's own Republic. We fought and won our own war of independence against Mexico. Today, the state of Texas maintains a sense of independence. We are far from just another rinkydink state....we are the largest in the lower 48 in land mass, we have a population and economy comparable to that of Canada, we have access to two bodies of water, 2 of the top 5 metro areas in the United States, and over 1/10th of the workd's Fortune 500 companies are headquartered here.

    Yet we have the same representation in the Senate as New Hampshire or Delaware.

    To characterize the question of secession as something limited to "nutters" does it a disservice, in my opinion. In a larger sense, there is some credence to the argument that a government which is closer to home is better able to service the needs of said population, and one can rightly question at what point a nation of 300+ million that encompasses an entire continent becomes too large to govern in a way that protects the interests of each of those 300 million dwellers.

    We're a diverse country with diverse histories and divergent ideals. Perhaps rather than continue on our present course of infighting and polarization, it would be wise to consider alternative ways to divide up governance in such a way that all parties can have their interests fairly represented.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No permission slip required. We have all the legal grounds we need to make secession a reality, should we choose
    What legal ground is that?
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