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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well we have the type of self government that we want already. In order to get rid of this one secessionists would need to force their way in.
    no state would leave the union, because of something silly......it would take something so bad as the federal government violating the constitution and the rights of the people that would be so obvious.

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    lets say the federal government made a law stating its going to be legal for people to bear arms [now play along with me here] and the USSC went along with that law, but we have say 22 states which are more conservative which reject the law, while 28 were more liberal and had no problem with the law.

    could you see secession coming out of a situation like this, and where would you stand on the issue?



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    That if, when the federal government usurps power, the States don’t stop the usurpation, and thereby preserve the Constitution; there would be no relief from usurped power. This would subvert the Rights of the People as well as betray the fundamental principle of our Founding.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no state would leave the union, because of something silly......it would take something so bad as the federal government violating the constitution and the rights of the people that would be so obvious.

    question?

    lets say the federal government made a law stating its going to be legal for people to bear arms [now play along with me here] and the USSC went along with that law, but we have say 22 states which are more conservative which reject the law, while 28 were more liberal and had no problem with the law.

    could you see secession coming out of a situation like this, and where would you stand on the issue?



    James Madison - The States, in their sovereign capacity, are the parties to the constitutional compact; and are thus the final authority on whether the federal government has violated the Constitution. There can be no tribunal above the authority of the States to decide whether the compact made by them has been violated by the federal government.


    That if, when the federal government usurps power, the States don’t stop the usurpation, and thereby preserve the Constitution; there would be no relief from usurped power. This would subvert the Rights of the People as well as betray the fundamental principle of our Founding.
    No state would leave the union for something silly. In fact, no state would leave the union anyway if there is any alternative, not since the Civil War, and spark another war. However, since we're talking hypotheticals here:

    Right wing paranoia comes true, and the federal government starts collecting Americans' guns.
    Government simply gets so expensive that it is financially expedient to cut ties (a bit more likely scenario)
    A dictator comes to power and suspends the Constitution.

    Hypothetically, could a state secede over such an issue?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No state would leave the union for something silly. In fact, no state would leave the union anyway if there is any alternative, not since the Civil War, and spark another war. However, since we're talking hypotheticals here:

    Right wing paranoia comes true, and the federal government starts collecting Americans' guns.
    Government simply gets so expensive that it is financially expedient to cut ties (a bit more likely scenario)
    A dictator comes to power and suspends the Constitution.

    Hypothetically, could a state secede over such an issue?
    if a scenario would exist where we have flat out violations of the constitution , i would think you would have secession, but i think it would be more then 1 state and if america engaged in another civil war it would cause our destruction, since we have other nations waiting for us to become weak and fighting among ourselves.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a scenario would exist where we have flat out violations of the constitution , i would think you would have secession, but i think it would be more then 1 state and if america engaged in another civil war it would cause our destruction, since we have other nations waiting for us to become weak and fighting among ourselves.
    Exactly.
    Which is why, even given the extreme scenarios, secession is not the answer. We're all in this together, come what may.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Exactly.
    Which is why, even given the extreme scenarios, secession is not the answer. We're all in this together, come what may.
    some want to claim i am for secession, which is false......i am about rights.

    for a state to secede things in american would have to become very flat out bad... violations of laws and rights, the federal government out of control.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    some want to claim i am for secession, which is false......i am about rights.

    for a state to secede things in american would have to become very flat out bad... violations of laws and rights, the federal government out of control.
    Some people think things are already that bad.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Some people think things are already that bad.
    yes, and some people think america is doing Great...


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes, and some people think america is doing Great...
    Yes, and they're both wrong.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you saying if you get a vote on a decision......and it does not go your way...you didn't get a right to self government?
    No I said that you are sharing opinions. And I also have stated that we already have self government so there is no rational for changing it to another version.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no state would leave the union, because of something silly......it would take something so bad as the federal government violating the constitution and the rights of the people that would be so obvious.
    There isnt any logical reason to secede since at that point there wouldnt be a Constitution to secede from anymore.

    question?

    lets say the federal government made a law stating its going to be legal for people to bear arms [now play along with me here] and the USSC went along with that law, but we have say 22 states which are more conservative which reject the law, while 28 were more liberal and had no problem with the law.

    could you see secession coming out of a situation like this, and where would you stand on the issue?
    I assume that you meant illegal? Either way its better to stay together and hash things out rather than split up. I certainly am not going to turn tail and run leaving my family and friends in other States to suffer.


    James Madison - The States, in their sovereign capacity, are the parties to the constitutional compact; and are thus the final authority on whether the federal government has violated the Constitution. There can be no tribunal above the authority of the States to decide whether the compact made by them has been violated by the federal government.


    That if, when the federal government usurps power, the States don’t stop the usurpation, and thereby preserve the Constitution; there would be no relief from usurped power. This would subvert the Rights of the People as well as betray the fundamental principle of our Founding.
    That scenario would call for revolution not secession. And Madison didnt say that the recourse would be secession.

    Which would be better some States seceding from the Constitution or all of the States united against a corrupted Federal Government?

    Like it or not we are one people in one country, our lives are a inseparable community of interests that are not at all bound by State borders. As I said I have family and friends all over the USA, personally I could not just side with the State that I am in at the present time. And I could not stand by and watch the USA fall apart by the influence of secessionists like yourself. I would indeed bear arms to keep and protect the Constitution of the United States of America. And I am by no means alone by the sentiment, in fact people like yourself that try and make excuses for secession are a extreme minority. And when it comes to bearing arms the majority usually wins.

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