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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Us real American desire the US Constitution. If some anti Americans disagree then war us real Americans and see who wins. I stand behind the US Constitution, not whatever else that people want. And as every American soldier has ever done I am willing to give my life to protect the USA. SO those that desire to take over the USA or even a part of it, need to realize they have no right to do so. State secession is the act of taking over a part of the USA. You can deny that until you fingers bleed from typing, but go look at a map of this country, there is only one international border and it isnt between States. If a State somehow magically seceded that map would have to be altered. Meaning that a portion of this country was taken away. According to you though Mexicans could move into my State achieve a majority and express their natural right to self govern, and boom I am in Mexico. With zero natural rights of my own to stop the majority rule that made it happen.
    this is a personal rant.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me how you have a natural right to be a american citizen...

    what violates a right of a person?

    1.... then one citizen acts upon another citizen and causes damage, lost, pain, death, and these fall under criminal law.

    2 ......when a government creates a law, or an official of a government prevents a person exercising a right.

    can you tell me how a government by seceding is preventing you from exercising ........what right?
    Foremost my property rights. I own my home as many Americans do in every State in the Union. If a State secedes from the US Constitution then my property would go with it. I have zero protection from that State and I would never trust a State to begin with for wanting to leave the US Constitution. Obviously that State is so damn corrupt that they have a need to destroy their relationship with all the other States. Such a State Government can take my property at will and I would have no recourse since the State has declared its self the ultimate power over me and my property. The only thing that I could do at that point to protect my own rights is to bear arms against the State Government.


    In other words I am American foremost the State in which I live is of little consequence to that fact. I have lived in several States in my lifetime each has their own appeal. But in my experience that Government that has given me the most trouble has been State government not the Federal Government. I pay much more taxes to New Mexico but a long stretch than I do to the Federal Government. The State also requires much regulation of not only my property but my activities. Some of those regulations have been checked and balanced by Federal powers. The day secession was final those checks and balances would be gone and my taxes would be higher and the regulations would be two fold. And the details would be mind boggling.

    It is one thing to declare that the people have a natural right to self government. Sure we do. But its another for a State to dictate what that self government will look like. I just dont trust any State government to not dictate to the people of that State since that is what they are always trying to do.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is a personal rant.
    Everything that you have said in this thread has been a personal rant.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Foremost my property rights. I own my home as many Americans do in every State in the Union. If a State secedes from the US Constitution then my property would go with it. I have zero protection from that State and I would never trust a State to begin with for wanting to leave the US Constitution. Obviously that State is so damn corrupt that they have a need to destroy their relationship with all the other States. Such a State Government can take my property at will and I would have no recourse since the State has declared its self the ultimate power over me and my property. The only thing that I could do at that point to protect my own rights is to bear arms against the State Government.


    In other words I am American foremost the State in which I live is of little consequence to that fact. I have lived in several States in my lifetime each has their own appeal. But in my experience that Government that has given me the most trouble has been State government not the Federal Government. I pay much more taxes to New Mexico but a long stretch than I do to the Federal Government. The State also requires much regulation of not only my property but my activities. Some of those regulations have been checked and balanced by Federal powers. The day secession was final those checks and balances would be gone and my taxes would be higher and the regulations would be two fold. And the details would be mind boggling.

    It is one thing to declare that the people have a natural right to self government. Sure we do. But its another for a State to dictate what that self government will look like. I just dont trust any State government to not dictate to the people of that State since that is what they are always trying to do.
    oh, who taking you property away from you, a state seceding does not mean personal property is lost.

    you have a right to self government, and you exercise it by voting, you don't have a right to have your candidate be in office because of that right.

    if you live in Texas and they put the situation to the people then you are exercise your right of self governmental being part of the process of the decision to stay or go.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Everything that you have said in this thread has been a personal rant.
    sorry it cannot be a person rant......... because i used words of men who were part of out government, and wrote about it and its laws....

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh.....right to self government mean the people have a right to any government they desire to create for themselves,...therefore it they would choose to create a direct democracy it is within their right.

    which that government is not compatible with the constitution.

    Yet it is not to be understood, that its interposition would be justifiable, if the people of a state should determine to retire from the Union, whether they adopted another or retained the same form of government, or if they should, with the express intention of seceding, expunge the representative system from their code, and thereby incapacitate themselves from concurring according to the mode now prescribed, in the choice of certain public officers of the United States.

    The principle of representation, although certainly the wisest and best, is not essential to the being of a republic, but to continue a member of the Union, it must be preserved, and therefore the guarantee must be so construed. It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle on which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed.
    Well we have the type of self government that we want already. In order to get rid of this one secessionists would need to force their way in.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, who taking you property away from you, a state seceding does not mean personal property is lost.

    you have a right to self government, and you exercise it by voting, you don't have a right to have your candidate be in office because of that right.

    if you live in Texas and they put the situation to the people then you are exercise your right of self governmental being part of the process of the decision to stay or go.
    Says you who has zero evidence that would be the case.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, who taking you property away from you, a state seceding does not mean personal property is lost.

    you have a right to self government, and you exercise it by voting, you don't have a right to have your candidate be in office because of that right.

    if you live in Texas and they put the situation to the people then you are exercise your right of self governmental being part of the process of the decision to stay or go.
    The decision to stay or go would be a collective decision with which not everyone would agree. Therefore, the individual who wanted to keep his/her American citizenship would see that right stripped away.

    Going back to the southern states seceding to preserve private property: You do realize that the "property" in question was human beings, right?
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The decision to stay or go would be a collective decision with which not everyone would agree. Therefore, the individual who wanted to keep his/her American citizenship would see that right stripped away.

    Going back to the southern states seceding to preserve private property: You do realize that the "property" in question was human beings, right?
    it would be yes a collective decision, ....and no matter which way the vote went, you as person would have gotten to exercise your right of self government..be it in your favor or not.

    yes...humans were part of the property.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Says you who has zero evidence that would be the case.
    are you saying if you get a vote on a decision......and it does not go your way...you didn't get a right to self government?

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