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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    SO let m,e get this straight: You are for the Constitution but you think it is peoples natural right to ignore it?

    BTW if a State attempts to secede it cannot do so without violating the rights of the Americans within that State. Case in point: Once a State decrees it isnt going to adhere to the Constitution (that is what secession is) Every American citizen living in that State just lost their Representation in Congress. They also lost every single protection to their rights from the State (that they live in) that the US Constitution provides. Again though if you are supporting secession because you think the Federal Government has overstepped their powers then State Secession isnt a fix at all nor is it a act that would adhere to the principles of the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence. State secession as a fix for disagreeing with the government is just plain stupid. And it would be stupid to believe that the State would be of any worth as a government after such an act against the US Constitution. Secession from the US Constitution is about as much as one could get to being opposed to the US Constitution. SO dont tell me that you are a Constitutionalist in one breath and a secessionist in another and try to tell me that you are about rights.

    what is the purpose of government?........to secure rights of the people.

    if government is not securing rights, then why does it exist?........there is no purpose of government if it is violating rights of the people.

    a Citizen of a state does not lose his right, rights are not created by governments rights are inherent in man, be it on a state or federal level.

    why are you putting law above......... rights of the people.......rights are no supposed to be violated at all by government.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what is the purpose of government?........to secure rights of the people.

    if government is not securing rights, then why does it exist?........there is no purpose of government if it is violating rights of the people.

    a Citizen of a state does not lose his right, rights are not created by governments rights are inherent in man, be it on a state or federal level.

    why are you putting law above......... rights of the people.......rights are no supposed to be violated at all by government.
    Yes you keep saying those things no matter what I say. Even if I didnt say anything near it.

    But heres the deal about what you have been saying about a State seceding from the Constitution: You keep asserting that its a State seceding oh you might throw in that it was done perhaps by the will of the people but the vehicle that does it is State Government. Even if there are 4 actual Americans (because actual Americans would never dream of seceding from the Constitution) those Americans will lose their right by an act of State Government.

    You can look at the method of secession in two ways either it was the majority dictating secession or it was the State Government dictating the doctrine of secession either scenery is nothing good for liberty or freedom; and those natural rights that you talk about that magically are defined in thin air.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yes you keep saying those things no matter what I say. Even if I didnt say anything near it.

    But heres the deal about what you have been saying about a State seceding from the Constitution: You keep asserting that its a State seceding oh you might throw in that it was done perhaps by the will of the people but the vehicle that does it is State Government. Even if there are 4 actual Americans (because actual Americans would never dream of seceding from the Constitution) those Americans will lose their right by an act of State Government.

    You can look at the method of secession in two ways either it was the majority dictating secession or it was the State Government dictating the doctrine of secession either scenery is nothing good for liberty or freedom; and those natural rights that you talk about that magically are defined in thin air.
    natural rights are part of the organic laws of america and are our nation's foundation, which all of our laws are created from.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what is the purpose of government?........to secure rights of the people.

    if government is not securing rights, then why does it exist?........there is no purpose of government if it is violating rights of the people.

    a Citizen of a state does not lose his right, rights are not created by governments rights are inherent in man, be it on a state or federal level.

    why are you putting law above......... rights of the people.......rights are no supposed to be violated at all by government.
    That's not the Constitution, though. That'a the Declaration of Independence.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's not the Constitution, though. That'a the Declaration of Independence.
    the constitution embodies the principles of the DOI, which the u.s. federal government recognizes by federal law.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution embodies the principles of the DOI, which the u.s. federal government recognizes by federal law.
    Perhaps so, but it is the Constitution that is the supreme law of the land.

    Nevertheless, the purpose of government should be to preserve individual rights. Now, if a state decides to secede, and some of its citizens are not on board with the decision, whose rights are being violated?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Perhaps so, but it is the Constitution that is the supreme law of the land.

    Nevertheless, the purpose of government should be to preserve individual rights. Now, if a state decides to secede, and some of its citizens are not on board with the decision, whose rights are being violated?
    correct...

    if a state secedes.....how does a Citizen lose his natural rights.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    correct...

    if a state secedes.....how does a Citizen lose his natural rights.
    That would depend on the sort of government the new nation passed. There is no reason to expect Lone Star, or Bear Flag, or any other new nation to follow either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of a foreign nation, is there?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That would depend on the sort of government the new nation passed. There is no reason to expect Lone Star, or Bear Flag, or any other new nation to follow either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of a foreign nation, is there?
    do you believe that a state is going to depart from natural law, and take away people rights if it secedes.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ...why do people post things they know nothing about?
    Indeed. My recollection of history is that the Texans were the last state to give up the battle, a month or so after Lee surrendered. And even that did not end the war. I believe the Indian confederates finally gave it up almost a month after the Texans did. It took quite awhile for the news to spread that Richmond had fallen and Lee had surrendered so Lee's surrender didn't end the war. It just started the process for it to end.

    But I do agree with some, that I'm pretty sure Washington would not take kindly to Texas seceding from the Union and would likely use military force to deal with that. But nevertheless. America was founded on the principle that if the government overstepped its assigned authority and became a problem, we the people had every right to dissolve it and do something else.
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