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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution is not the union......it is the states which form the compact.

    by a state leaving its not defying constitution, because people of the state are excising their right to form any government they choose, they are casting off a government with they believe does not work for them, and seek to form a better government.

    if a state constitution has in it that the people have the right to alter of abolish their own government, then all of the people of that state have to adhere to the law of that state as everyone does, those that don't like the law, are free have liberty to seek what they desire elsewhere.

    every state in the union is supposed to be republican, however this is not true.......in the late 1800's states moved away from republican forms towards democratic forms, when this issue was brought before the USSC the court would not hear the case, because they deemed it to be a political question......this is why america has a great deal of democracy in it today, something the founders did not want to happen.

    to say the people cannot leave the union is to say people are prisoners of there own government, and have no right of self government.

    state secession could be two ways...1 a state wants to change it government which may be incompatible with the constitution, or 2 the state wants to secede because it wants to get out from under the control of the federal government.

    what amazes me is you and others are ready to KILL, imprison, and usurp a state government, if it chooses to change its form or secede..........to apply force to people even willing to kill them if they simply wish not be part of something you wish them to be.

    how did we get to this place where we are willing to kill our brother because he will not stand with us?


    So what about those that do reject a States secession? Is the State Government going to go to their houses and force them to conform? Make them leave if they dont conform to the new State Government? I dont know about you but I am a American, was born a American, will die a American. If some assholes come to my door telling me that my property is no longer American then they will be met with bullet in their brain. Call me a asshole for shooting assholes that come wanting to take my American way of life, but thats just how I am.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by PHP View Post
    "A republican form of government is the highest form of government"

    Everyone for themselves, survival of the fittest, I am better than you, fear, bigotry, ignorance, greed, cheaters, denialism, superstitions, in humane, and eat their lizard young.
    a republican form of government means its a more complex government then a democratic form, power is divided to prevent tyranny, while democratic forms concentrate power which causes tranny over time.


    its a shame most americans do not know this!
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So what about those that do reject a States secession? Is the State Government going to go to their houses and force them to conform? Make them leave if they dont conform to the new State Government? I dont know about you but I am a American, was born a American, will die a American. If some assholes come to my door telling me that my property is no longer American then they will be met with bullet in their brain. Call me a asshole for shooting assholes that come wanting to take my American way of life, but thats just how I am.

    if a state where to secede no one is going to be forced to leave the state, and no one is forced to participate in government..... that would be up to the person.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if a state where to secede no one is going to be forced to leave the state, and no one is forced to participate in government..... that would be up to the person.
    You cant know that at all at this point. Unless you are magic. I am pretty that you are not magic. No present State even dreams of seceding just a few malcontents fantasizing about what they could impose on a States population if that pesky Constitution was not in the way.

    Perhaps you accept the concept of State secession because you are all alone and have never left the State that you were born in? I mean I was born in one state grew up in another State, my family is actually form another(s). And I have friends in most of the States. I am not a New Mexican I am a American. And I may move in the future to another State. I also have friends that own property in several States. We as Americans are intertwined in many diverse ways. It would literally be impossible for a State to secede from this fine country without doing it by force. All this what if it was done peacefully is a crock of ****. Another crock of **** is trying to make it look like it would be the Federal Government protesting and forcing Americans to stay being Americans.

    Secessionists are filth, and it is my right to state that they are filth. ANd I have that right because I am a American and by being a American my rights are protected. I dont trust that a State government would protect my rights nor my liberties without a system of checks and balances. removing a State from the US Constitution take away those checks and balances. Leaving the State to do whatever it pleases including killing me because I refuse to allow their usurpation of power.




    Remember its WE THE PEOPLE not WE THE STATES.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You cant know that at all at this point. Unless you are magic. I am pretty that you are not magic. No present State even dreams of seceding just a few malcontents fantasizing about what they could impose on a States population if that pesky Constitution was not in the way.

    Perhaps you accept the concept of State secession because you are all alone and have never left the State that you were born in? I mean I was born in one state grew up in another State, my family is actually form another(s). And I have friends in most of the States. I am not a New Mexican I am a American. And I may move in the future to another State. I also have friends that own property in several States. We as Americans are intertwined in many diverse ways. It would literally be impossible for a State to secede from this fine country without doing it by force. All this what if it was done peacefully is a crock of ****. Another crock of **** is trying to make it look like it would be the Federal Government protesting and forcing Americans to stay being Americans.

    Secessionists are filth, and it is my right to state that they are filth. ANd I have that right because I am a American and by being a American my rights are protected. I dont trust that a State government would protect my rights nor my liberties without a system of checks and balances. removing a State from the US Constitution take away those checks and balances. Leaving the State to do whatever it pleases including killing me because I refuse to allow their usurpation of power.




    Remember its WE THE PEOPLE not WE THE STATES.
    a state leaving is still going to be still operating under law, its not going to be operating under anarchry if it secedes, the state since it takes an organized effort to secede and break the connection with the federal government.

    again if a state were to secede, it would be done by the approval of the people either vote or convention, the government of the state is not going to act on its own authority, because that would not get off the ground.

    the Union is made up of the states not the people.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a state leaving is still going to be still operating under law, its not going to be operating under anarchry if it secedes, the state since it takes an organized effort to secede and break the connection with the federal government.

    again if a state were to secede, it would be done by the approval of the people either vote or convention, the government of the state is not going to act on its own authority, because that would not get off the ground.

    the Union is made up of the states not the people.
    No you are just making up crap again.

    Thats funny I wonder how come the Constitution starts out with WE THE PEOPLE.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Calhouns' doctrine of nullification is merely another word for succession and both are, rather than remedies under the Constitution, revolt against the Constitution. Daniel Webster's Speech "The Constitution Not a Compact Between Sovereign States, 1833

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Does anyone here really believe that, were a secession election to be held in Texas, the people of that state would elect to secede?

    It's an interesting question, but an academic one.

    And, it seems to me it was a question that was settled via a civil war a few years back.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Secede? Future flag of the U.S. (post invasion):


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No you are just making up crap again.

    Thats funny I wonder how come the Constitution starts out with WE THE PEOPLE.

    do you actually believe a state is going to leave the union in a state of anarchy?.......it takes law and organization for the people to make their own self determination to secede.

    if you would read about the ratification in the state conventions, the subject of "we the people" came up......because many of the founders argued it should have been "we the states",

    the Preamble was put into the Constitution during the last days of the Convention by the Committee on Style, it was not a proposal or discussed at convention beforehand.

    AOC created a perpetual Union of the states, the constitution seeks to create a more prefect union of the states.
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