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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Athrawan View Post
    I thought that this question was decided by the American Civil War. Did not that bloodiest of all American conflicts determine that no state in the Union has the right to unilaterally sever its membership in that Union? It seems to me, then, that Texas possesses no right to secede. One cannot support a right that does not exist.
    If course you are right and have hit the nail upon its firm head.

    Just like the annual weather shifts have four main seasons in most of the nation- so does the discussion in which somebody from the right tries to bring up secession again and justify it. You just came in at the end of the latest. When this one dies - a few weeks will past and somebody - probably a libertarian - will resurrect it, gussy it up trying to find a new angle making it attractive - and we get to do it all over again. Fun huh?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Athrawan View Post
    I thought that this question was decided by the American Civil War. Did not that bloodiest of all American conflicts determine that no state in the Union has the right to unilaterally sever its membership in that Union? It seems to me, then, that Texas possesses no right to secede. One cannot support a right that does not exist.
    Declaration of independence- -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


    TEXAS CONSTITUTION:

    Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Declaration of independence- -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


    TEXAS CONSTITUTION:

    Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
    I have always found it a bit more than ironic that people who pretend follow an ersatz ideology based on liberty are usually the ones screaming the loudest in these discussions to justify the preservation of a system of legal slavery which denies others the basic rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of their happiness in the same document the use to justify the defense of the south. But then you realize that all the talk about freedom and liberty is just lipstick on a very ugly pig and its all just bs to begin with for them.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    No. Secession is unconstitutional. They can't
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    There are flaws in your argument(s). First, the Declaration of Independence is not the governing instrument of the U.S., the Constitution is. Secondly, when the Declaration refers to the right of the people to alter or abolish a government, I do not believe that it refers to a disaffected minority of the people, but to a majority. Thirdly, the Texas constitution can only refer to the people's right to alter, reform, or abolish the government of Texas. The constitution of the state of Texas, or any other state for that matter, can have no power to alter, reform, or abolish that state's relation to the federal government since the U. S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Athrawan View Post
    There are flaws in your argument(s). First, the Declaration of Independence is not the governing instrument of the U.S., the Constitution is. Secondly, when the Declaration refers to the right of the people to alter or abolish a government, I do not believe that it refers to a disaffected minority of the people, but to a majority. Thirdly, the Texas constitution can only refer to the people's right to alter, reform, or abolish the government of Texas. The constitution of the state of Texas, or any other state for that matter, can have no power to alter, reform, or abolish that state's relation to the federal government since the U. S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

    the declaration of independence is an organic law of the u.s....... which is its foundation.

    the right refers to "the people"

    that is correct the state constitution says the people have a right to alter or abolish their government, which means the form of government which they currently have in connection to the federal government, can be altered or abolished .

    if the people of Texas were to abolish and create a monarchy or pure democracy,which is their right .... it would be inconsistent with the constitution, and therefore the state would have to be expunged from the union.

    false....there are states that entered the union, that the federal government recognized their constitution when they entered the union that stated that the people have the right to alter or abolish, which the u.s. federal government DECLARED by [u.s. enabling laws], that thisthose state constitutions were not repugnant to the federal constitution or the principles of the delectation of independence.

    it may also be added that the founding fathers, denied the federal government power to preserve the union.....constitutional convention notes may31st 1787

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    No. Secession is unconstitutional. They can't
    even though the founders stated the federal government has no power to preserve the union?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    To those that answered 'no'...

    ...what if 90+% of Texans AND 51% of Americans from the other states said they wanted Texas to be able to leave.

    Would you still vote 'no'.


    And if you would still vote no...what if 90+% of both Texans and voting Americans wanted to allow Texas to leave? Would you still vote 'no'?
    Well thats a mighty big what if, but yea I would still vote no.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    even though the founders stated the federal government has no power to preserve the union?
    Yea sure whatever you imagine.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea sure whatever you imagine.
    i don't image i have posted the convention notes many times......you yourself have seen it.

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