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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The citizens of a State that seceded and were a new country would be under the jurisdiction of said new country. The US Constitution has no jurisdiction in other countries.
    The new country could decide to do anything they wanted and the US government could do nothing about it. Including striping the rights of dual citizenship residents. The US Government would have to act in behalf of her citizens that lost their rights and do its duty to protect the rights of those US citizens that were victims of a rogue State government.

    What is interesting about the proponents of State secession is the complete lack of understanding that the people of any State in this here Union move around a lot. There doesnt really exist a permanent citizenry of any State. The properties in each State is intertwined by owners from different States. People have family in several States. My family line envelopes several States. Secessionists are too naive to realize that every State is inhabited by people from other States. I was born in Washington State, raised in Oregon and now live in New Mexico. But along the way I lived in several other States.
    A state seceding from the union could limit migration from one state to another, but then, maybe not. According to the fourteenth amendment, anyone born within the United States has US citizenship. Since the current inhabitants of the state what seceded would have been born in the US (most of them, anyway, not the new immigrants or illegals) they would automatically be US citizens. Therefore, the state that seceded would be in violation of the rights of its citizens unless it did grant dual citizenship.

    Perhaps, now being an independent nation, it could later act to strip that dual citizenship from its residents, but that would likely foment a rebellion.

    All of this is just academic, of course, but an interesting bit of speculation.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A state seceding from the union could limit migration from one state to another, but then, maybe not. According to the fourteenth amendment, anyone born within the United States has US citizenship. Since the current inhabitants of the state what seceded would have been born in the US (most of them, anyway, not the new immigrants or illegals) they would automatically be US citizens. Therefore, the state that seceded would be in violation of the rights of its citizens unless it did grant dual citizenship.

    Perhaps, now being an independent nation, it could later act to strip that dual citizenship from its residents, but that would likely foment a rebellion.

    All of this is just academic, of course, but an interesting bit of speculation.
    Again that dual citizenship doesnt solve anything legally. The US citizens that were caught in a rogue State governments jurisdiction would most likely start their own rebellion and get lots of add from the US government in the form of the US army. They would have the law of the land on their side. Of course you are right this is all just academic since the politicians in involved at the time of the attempted secession would be arrested on the spot in a massive federal sting. I suspect they would be arrested before they could declare their secession. No one actually believes that secession is legal except a small minority of radicals.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Actually, I voted that Texas should indeed be allowed to secede if it votes in a democratic referendum free from corrupt/malign influence... But, only if the federal government agrees to the referendum.

    You cite Scotland as an example -- the Westminster government agreed to honour the outcome of the referendum, which made it legitimate. Otherwise it would've been a bunch of angry people ranting about not liking England.

    The same with Texas -- if the US government says, "Texas, you consider yourself a people and we do too, so we'll honour a referendum on whether you want to remain a part of this union." If that were to happen, then I'd be all for it. Otherwise, however, it would be rebellion, and if I'm not mistaken, there was a war about 150 years ago in the US about precisely this issue.

    Just to rabble-rouse, I feel the need to mention how quickly and embarrassingly Texas surrendered in the American Civil War, and also how poorly it performed.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Actually, I voted that Texas should indeed be allowed to secede if it votes in a democratic referendum free from corrupt/malign influence... But, only if the federal government agrees to the referendum.

    You cite Scotland as an example -- the Westminster government agreed to honour the outcome of the referendum, which made it legitimate. Otherwise it would've been a bunch of angry people ranting about not liking England.

    The same with Texas -- if the US government says, "Texas, you consider yourself a people and we do too, so we'll honour a referendum on whether you want to remain a part of this union." If that were to happen, then I'd be all for it. Otherwise, however, it would be rebellion, and if I'm not mistaken, there was a war about 150 years ago in the US about precisely this issue.

    Just to rabble-rouse, I feel the need to mention how quickly and embarrassingly Texas surrendered in the American Civil War, and also how poorly it performed.
    ...why do people post things they know nothing about?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ...why do people post things they know nothing about?
    Indeed. Lee surrendered on April 9th. Jefferson Davis was captured on May 9th. The Battle of Palmito Ranch was on May 12th in Texas. The Union lost that battle.

    If you're going to rabble-rouse about the Civil War, talk about the evil of slavery, because it was. Don't lie about historical facts.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Indeed. Lee surrendered on April 9th. Jefferson Davis was captured on May 9th. The Battle of Palmito Ranch was on May 12th in Texas. The Union lost that battle.

    If you're going to rabble-rouse about the Civil War, talk about the evil of slavery, because it was. Don't lie about historical facts.
    what am i lying about, since i am quoting someone on what they said....

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    To those that answered 'no'...

    ...what if 90+% of Texans AND 51% of Americans from the other states said they wanted Texas to be able to leave.

    Would you still vote 'no'.


    And if you would still vote no...what if 90+% of both Texans and voting Americans wanted to allow Texas to leave? Would you still vote 'no'?
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what am i lying about, since i am quoting someone on what they said....
    What? I was agreeing with you, or at least that's what I had in mind.

    Yea, you quoted someone who said something incorrect.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What? I was agreeing with you, or at least that's what I had in mind.

    Yea, you quoted someone who said something incorrect.
    ok ,well then i made the error, because from my interpretation i thought you were saying i was lying.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    I thought that this question was decided by the American Civil War. Did not that bloodiest of all American conflicts determine that no state in the Union has the right to unilaterally sever its membership in that Union? It seems to me, then, that Texas possesses no right to secede. One cannot support a right that does not exist.

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