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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Under US law? Yes. Via the Constitutional amendment process.
    if the people were going to alter something of the federal government they would via an amendment, if they were going to abolish the federal government they would just do it.

    every state constitution says that the people of the state have the right to alter of abolish their state government.....this is fact

    therefore since the people have a right to alter or abolish this means they have the right to change it form of government...meaning they could create a monarchy, oligarchy, direct democracy, ANY form of government they choose.

    however if a state does not remain in a republican form, it cannot be part of the union, because article 4 section 4 states governments must be a republican form.

    there since the people exercised their right to create a non republican form of government that state has be expunged from the union


    The principle of representation, although certainly the wisest and best, is not essential to the being of a republic, but to continue a member of the Union, it must be preserved, and therefore the guarantee must be so construed. It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle on which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed.


    The states, then, may wholly withdraw from the Union, but while they continue, they must retain the character of representative republics........


    to have the federal government dictate to a state and tell them they cannot create another form of government......would infringe on the people's right, and the federal government would be nullifying part of their state constitution....which i started in affect would be nullifying a part of all the states constitutions

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Was there not a civil damn war over secession?

    My brother is my brother until he's my goddamn enemy.
    You won't have another issue like abolition to rally behind, so good luck getting the American People to get behind starting a war that would inevitably spill over to their soil

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Cut every last dime of federal subsidies heading anywhere near Texas. There is always that option.

    Quid pro quo.

    You become a jackass we become a jackass kind of scenario.
    Then you're helping us secede. And Texas doesn't need federal subsidies, we're a wealthy state

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The military would come in and force the state of Texas to comply just like segregationists were forced to comply with federal rulings back in the 50s and 60s. I am not sure what kind of a fantasy world you are living in if you think that any state could just ignore the federal judiciary without consequence.
    This is a thought experiment.

    How would that work, practically? You'd have the national guard come in to Texas and....then what? Who are they going to shoot? If Texas doesn't appoint any federal judges, any federal prosecutors, etc... How is a military presence going to resolve that?

    Do you think the American People would get behind a military invasion of Texas, given the scenario that the people of Texas democratically and peacefully voted to withdraw from the USA?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is entirely unthinkable any time in the foreseeable future. Just is not going to happen. A handful of loud nutters is not nearly enough to bring it about.
    But if they did it, Texas could act like a nutter magnet.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Hell yeah, but take Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the red states with you!

    how about most of middle america too

    kansas, nebraska, wyoming, etc, etc, etc

    we can have 2 countries

    coastal america

    inner america

    it almost splits that way

    almost all the west coast, and east coast are blue states

    and almost all the red states are in the south and middle
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if the people were going to alter something of the federal government they would via an amendment, if they were going to abolish the federal government they would just do it.

    every state constitution says that the people of the state have the right to alter of abolish their state government.....this is fact

    therefore since the people have a right to alter or abolish this means they have the right to change it form of government...meaning they could create a monarchy, oligarchy, direct democracy, ANY form of government they choose.

    however if a state does not remain in a republican form, it cannot be part of the union, because article 4 section 4 states governments must be a republican form.

    there since the people exercised their right to create a non republican form of government that state has be expunged from the union


    The principle of representation, although certainly the wisest and best, is not essential to the being of a republic, but to continue a member of the Union, it must be preserved, and therefore the guarantee must be so construed. It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle on which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed.


    The states, then, may wholly withdraw from the Union, but while they continue, they must retain the character of representative republics........


    to have the federal government dictate to a state and tell them they cannot create another form of government......would infringe on the people's right, and the federal government would be nullifying part of their state constitution....which i started in affect would be nullifying a part of all the states constitutions
    The Federal government isn't dictating anything. By virtue of their accepting the Constitution the states have voluntarily agreed to maintain a republican form of government. They have given away their right to form a non republican form of government as the price for admittance to the union.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The Federal government isn't dictating anything. By virtue of their accepting the Constitution the states have voluntarily agreed to maintain a republican form of government. They have given away their right to form a non republican form of government as the price for admittance to the union.
    only maintain a republican form while part of the union.

    they have not given away a right...first of all you cannot give away a right..second the us federal government, has verified by u.s. enabling laws, that state constitutions when the states entered the union, that there state constitutions...were not repugnant to the federal constitution and the principles of the DOI.......therefore no state constitution is outside of the law... on the right of the people to alter or abolish their government.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is a thought experiment.

    How would that work, practically? You'd have the national guard come in to Texas and....then what? Who are they going to shoot? If Texas doesn't appoint any federal judges, any federal prosecutors, etc... How is a military presence going to resolve that?

    Do you think the American People would get behind a military invasion of Texas, given the scenario that the people of Texas democratically and peacefully voted to withdraw from the USA?
    Federal judges are appointed by the federal government. If the state of Texas refused to allow appointed federal judges to take the bench, the president would call in the national guard and they would prevent any law enforcement under the jurisdiction of the state of Texas from interfering with the judges. As to the American public, I would imagine at least 70% would support the federal governments actions in such a case.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Enabling Act



    AN ACT to provide for the division of Dakota into two States and to enable the people of North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Washington to form constitutions and State governments and to be admitted into the Union on an equal footing with the original States, and to make donations of public lands to such States.

    (Approved February 22, 1889.) [25 U.S. Statutes at Large, c 180 p 676.]

    [President's proclamation declaring Washington a state: 26 St. at Large, Proclamations, p 10, Nov. 11, 1889.]

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the inhabitants of all that part of the area of the United States now constituting the Territories of Dakota, Montana, and Washington, as at present described, may become the States of North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Washington, respectively, as hereinafter provided.




    SEC. 4. That the delegates to the conventions elected as provided for in this act shall meet at the seat of government of each of said Territories, except the delegates elected in South Dakota, who shall meet at the city of Sioux Falls, on the fourth day of July, eighteen hundred and eighty-nine, and, after organization, shall declare, on behalf of the people of said proposed States, that they adopt the Constitution of the United States; whereupon the said conventions shall be, and are hereby, authorized to form constitutions and States governments for said proposed states, respectively. The constitutions shall be republican in form, and make no distinction in civil or political rights on account of race or color, except as to Indians not taxed, and not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence. And said conventions shall provide, by ordinances irrevocable without the consent of the United States and the people of said States:

    First. That perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured and that no inhabitant of said States shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship


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