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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Isnt it obvious?

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Every American in Texas has the right to be a citizen of the USA and all the protections that relationship creates. State secession would mean that every American in that State would be having their 14th Amendment rights violated. The act of a State seceding is the act of the State saying that they are Anti-American. That States government doesnt want to affiliated with American patriotism. The State would destroy every element of Americanism. The protections that the US Constitution provides would be ignored by the rogue State. Without those protections anything goes including the States Constitution. All checks and balances are off the table. I seriously doubt that any REAL AMERICAN would agree to give up the protections of the US Constitution. And the 14th will give the Federal Government its power to stop any State from seceding.
    can you please provide a federal law or constitutional law, which grants the federal government authority over people on the issue of secession.

    can you please provide where are rights are granted by the 14th

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you please provide a federal law or constitutional law, which grants the federal government authority over people on the issue of secession.

    can you please provide where are rights are granted by the 14th
    Its sad to watch you try and ignore a Constitutional Amendment as if it doesnt exist. Then throw a strawman argument at me as if I will just take up your made up position as my own.

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Its sad to watch you try and ignore a Constitutional Amendment as if it doesnt exist. Then throw a strawman argument at me as if I will just take up your made up position as my own.

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    in order for government to act it must have law to act on ,this says nothing of what you are eluding to.


    side note:
    did you know the 14th amendment was actually created for slaves and not whites, making them federal subjects which this was confirmed in 1873 in the slauhterhouse case, it was later the USSC applied this clause to the rest of the population.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in order for government to act it must have law to act on ,this says nothing of what you are eluding to.
    What am I eluding too?


    side note:
    did you know the 14th amendment was actually created for slaves and not whites, making them federal subjects which this was confirmed in 1873 in the slauhterhouse case, it was later the USSC applied this clause to the rest of the population.
    Side note: lol

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What am I eluding too?

    you tell me.... if my understanding of what you are eluding to is wrong....

    if you saying that people fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government before they cannot leave the union?


    Side note: lol
    fact!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you tell me.... if my understanding of what you are eluding to is wrong....

    if you saying that people fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government before they cannot leave the union?
    Im not sure what your question is?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Im not sure what your question is?
    are you saying because of the 14th amendment this grants congress power over the people and therefore they cannot act without the approval of congress...like secession.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you saying because of the 14th amendment this grants congress power over the people and therefore they cannot act without the approval of congress...like secession.
    No. I am saying the a State cannot take the protections afforded by the Constitution away from American citizens. Remember we are residents of the State that we live in right now, and citizens of the USA.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No. I am saying the a State cannot take the protections afforded by the Constitution away from American citizens. Remember we are residents of the State that we live in right now, and citizens of the USA.
    can you explain why the federal government via law says that states can alter or abolish their governments.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you explain why the federal government via law says that states can alter or abolish their governments.
    You are going to need to be more specific.

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