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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Once again, are those that voted 'no' prepared to keep Texas in the U.S. by force, if they voted to leave?

    I am not a Texan, but I would NEVER take up arms to force a state to stay in America if most of that's state's citizens voted to leave.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The Constitution says that you are wrong. Amendment 9 clearly says that there are enumerated rights in the Constitution. The first eight amendments are a list of enumerated rights. Non-enumerated constitutional rights are generally what you think as being natural rights. In order for you to claim a non-enumerated constitutional right the concept must come from a human mind. These rights dont just pop out of thin air and are agreed on by everyone as if it was printed at birth in their minds. If you go before a court and claim something is a natural right you are going to need to prove that it is a non-enumerated constitutional right. The end result will indeed be man made.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    while you are correct that rights which are not enumerated usually fall under the 9th,

    man made means.... positive law..rights are not positive law created by statute.

    rights are unwritten law, because they are not positive law, again like the right to privacy which is not an enumerated right in the constitution, the USSC recognized it as a natural right of the people, the USSC adjudicates the law ......they don't make law

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    why do the rights that you say don't have to be recognized have to be recognized?
    ..you need to rephrase this
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    while you are correct that rights which are not enumerated usually fall under the 9th,

    man made means.... positive law..rights are not positive law created by statute.

    rights are unwritten law, because they are not positive law, again like the right to privacy which is not an enumerated right in the constitution, the USSC recognized it as a natural right of the people, the USSC adjudicates the law ......they don't make law

    Unwritten Law


    [a bunch of copy and pasted crap]


    Positive law bawhahaha never mentioned it so that accusation has zero to do with anything that I just said in the post that you were supposedly replying too.


    The 9th Amendment affirms that there are enumerated rights in the Constitution.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Positive law bawhahaha never mentioned it so that accusation has zero to do with anything that I just said in the post that you were supposedly replying too.


    The 9th Amendment affirms that there are enumerated rights in the Constitution.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    are you trying to saying enumeration is the granting of rights?

    [a bunch of copy and pasted crap]<------translation: i don't like this legal stuff
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you trying to saying enumeration is the granting of rights?

    [a bunch of copy and pasted crap]<------translation: i don't like this legal stuff
    I am saying that there are actually some rights that are enumerated in the US Constitution. I have no problem with legal content, but you went off on a tangent that wasnt at all a reply to my post. In fact you made some creative assumptions.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I am saying that there are actually some rights that are enumerated in the US Constitution. I have no problem with legal content, but you went off on a tangent that wasnt at all a reply to my post. In fact you made some creative assumptions.
    i did not understand you first post that is correct...and no i did not go off, you would like for me to though.

    which is why i came back with a question.

    yes there are rights which are enumerated in the constitution, but they are only recognized by the law and not made by law.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i did not understand you first post that is correct...and no i did not go off, you would like for me to though.

    which is why i came back with a question.

    yes there are rights which are enumerated in the constitution, but they are only recognized by the law and not made by law.
    Yea and Texas (remember Texas?) cannot secede from the Constitution without violating the 14th Amendment. The act of a State seceding from the United States of America is indeed declaring that the State wants to trash the US Constitution. And a State cannot trash the Constitution without violating the 14th.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea and Texas (remember Texas?) cannot secede from the Constitution without violating the 14th Amendment. The act of a State seceding from the United States of America is indeed declaring that the State wants to trash the US Constitution. And a State cannot trash the Constitution without violating the 14th.
    ......

    WILL YOU POINT TO A THE SPECIFIC PLACE OF THE 14TH WHICH SAYS WHAT YOU ARE MAKING CLAIMS OF .
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ......

    WILL YOU POINT TO A THE SPECIFIC PLACE OF THE 14TH WHICH SAYS WHAT YOU ARE MAKING CLAIMS OF .
    Isnt it obvious?

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Every American in Texas has the right to be a citizen of the USA and all the protections that relationship creates. State secession would mean that every American in that State would be having their 14th Amendment rights violated. The act of a State seceding is the act of the State saying that they are Anti-American. That States government doesnt want to affiliated with American patriotism. The State would destroy every element of Americanism. The protections that the US Constitution provides would be ignored by the rogue State. Without those protections anything goes including the States Constitution. All checks and balances are off the table. I seriously doubt that any REAL AMERICAN would agree to give up the protections of the US Constitution. And the 14th will give the Federal Government its power to stop any State from seceding.

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