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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wishful thinking on your part.

    but so i can drive the point home, !

    natural law recognized by u.s. federal law.

    AN ACT to provide for the division of Dakota into two States and to enable the people of North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Washington to form constitutions and State governments and to be admitted into the Union on an equal footing with the original States, and to make donations of public lands to such States.

    (Approved February 22, 1889.) [25 U.S. Statutes at Large, c 180 p 676.]

    [President's proclamation declaring Washington a state: 26 St. at Large, Proclamations, p 10, Nov. 11, 1889.]

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the inhabitants of all that part of the area of the United States now constituting the Territories of Dakota, Montana, and Washington, as at present described, may become the States of North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Washington, respectively, as hereinafter provided.


    SEC. 4. That the delegates to the conventions elected as provided for in this act shall meet at the seat of government of each of said Territories, except the delegates elected in South Dakota, who shall meet at the city of Sioux Falls, on the fourth day of July, eighteen hundred and eighty-nine, and, after organization, shall declare, on behalf of the people of said proposed States, that they adopt the Constitution of the United States; whereupon the said conventions shall be, and are hereby, authorized to form constitutions and States governments for said proposed states, respectively. The constitutions shall be republican in form, and make no distinction in civil or political rights on account of race or color, except as to Indians not taxed, and not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the of Declaration of Independence. And said conventions shall provide, by ordinances irrevocable without the consent of the United States and the people of said States:

    First. That perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured and that no inhabitant of said States shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship


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    I don't care what you post. It's not relevant to law - only an acknowledgment of our founder's divorce from England.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't care what you post. It's not relevant to law - only an acknowledgment of our founder's divorce from England.
    ....enabling act used in relation to the formation of a new U.S. state which legislation passed by Congress authorizing the people of a territory to frame a constitution, this act also lays down the requirements that must be met as a prerequisite to statehood.

    england...

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ....enabling act used in relation to the formation of a new U.S. state which legislation passed by Congress authorizing the people of a territory to frame a constitution, this act also lays down the requirements that must be met as a prerequisite to statehood.

    england...
    It's a historical acknowledge...so what? No way to prove some state didn't like the principles of the DOI. It'd be much easy to prove that they violated the Constitution.

    YAWN!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    It's a historical acknowledge...so what? No way to prove some state didn't like the principles of the DOI. It'd be much easy to prove that they violated the Constitution.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    deflection....and you are wasting time..because you have nothing.
    I have what I say I have to what I can get just like you that's the problem

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    lost you are....

    if you had paid attention my conversation had to do with natural rights.

    meaning just because you need food- water- shelter does not mean you can take it from other people, because you claim you have a natural right to it.....that was the conversation......but you failed in understanding that
    um why cant you and why would that claim of a natural right be anything but correct?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no...you need to understand rights...which you do not.
    unless rights are made up then there whatever you mold them into

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    unless rights are made up then there whatever you mold them into
    then tell me, if people create rights when why in the 200 yrs of existence in america, is there no right to food water and shelter....because the USSC have never recognized such a thing.

    you would think if people create their rights they would have done this since it is so basic, and since people create their own rights then that means they have to be put down in law,

    thats the thing here...you say people create rights........ok, where is this creation where is it written down.

    in natural law, it is unwritten law...... since you want to say man makes his own rights...then that has to be written...can you provide a link a rights creation via our government.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then tell me, if people create rights when why in the 200 yrs of existence in america, is there no right to food water and shelter....because the USSC have never recognized such a thing.

    you would think if people create their rights they would have done this since it is so basic, and since people create their own rights then that means they have to be put down in law,

    thats the thing here...you say people create rights........ok, where is this creation where is it written down.

    in natural law, it is unwritten law...... since you want to say man makes his own rights...then that has to be written...can you provide a link a rights creation via our government.
    why do the rights that you say don't have to be recognized have to be recognized?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then tell me, if people create rights when why in the 200 yrs of existence in america, is there no right to food water and shelter....because the USSC have never recognized such a thing.

    you would think if people create their rights they would have done this since it is so basic, and since people create their own rights then that means they have to be put down in law,

    thats the thing here...you say people create rights........ok, where is this creation where is it written down.

    in natural law, it is unwritten law...... since you want to say man makes his own rights...then that has to be written...can you provide a link a rights creation via our government.
    The Constitution says that you are wrong. Amendment 9 clearly says that there are enumerated rights in the Constitution. The first eight amendments are a list of enumerated rights. Non-enumerated constitutional rights are generally what you think as being natural rights. In order for you to claim a non-enumerated constitutional right the concept must come from a human mind. These rights dont just pop out of thin air and are agreed on by everyone as if it was printed at birth in their minds. If you go before a court and claim something is a natural right you are going to need to prove that it is a non-enumerated constitutional right. The end result will indeed be man made.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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