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Thread: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Outside of the more rabid FOX TV viewers and right libertarians and people who want to turn back the clock a full century - there just is not any widespread sympathy for that sort of discontented feeling.
    It's very ironic that "the party of Lincoln" would support secession.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    I believe every nation has the right to self-determination.
    This, really. It's always been my understanding that the U.S. is a federation of sovereign states, bound together by common values and the choice to be bound together. While I think it would be impossible for any single state in the Union to survive as an independent sovereign power in today's global arena, I believe that technically any one of them should be allowed to do so if it were voted upon by that state's population. They have to vote to join the Union, why shouldn't they be able to vote to leave the Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's very ironic that "the party of Lincoln" would support secession.
    Of course, we all realize that Lincoln's Republican Party and today's Republican Party are two very different animals.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Ross View Post
    This, really. It's always been my understanding that the U.S. is a federation of sovereign states, bound together by common values and the choice to be bound together. While I think it would be impossible for any single state in the Union to survive as an independent sovereign power in today's global arena, I believe that technically any one of them should be allowed to do so if it were voted upon by that state's population. They have to vote to join the Union, why shouldn't they be able to vote to leave the Union?

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    Of course, we all realize that Lincoln's Republican Party and today's Republican Party are two very different animals.
    you are correct, even all the southern states left the union by consent of the people.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are correct, even all the southern states left the union by consent of the people.
    Consent of the people? Lincoln won the election.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you need to do a lot of reading like others on the forum about our founding and the law.
    you need to do some reading of your own posts

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Consent of the people? Lincoln won the election.
    but you only have to stay in a democracy for as long as the vote turns out the way you like apparently

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's very ironic that "the party of Lincoln" would support secession.
    It is considering Lincoln did not support state's rights.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Consent of the people? Lincoln won the election.
    consent of the Citizens of the states in question.

    we don't have a national government.


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    you need to do some reading of your own posts
    no i am up to speed because i do a lot of reading on our founders, the documents.

    you need to keep in mind, that in constitutional law there are only natural rights and privileges...


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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    consent of the Citizens of the states in question.

    we don't have a national government.
    Which of the seceding states had a referendum for citizens to vote in expressing this consent the citizenry?
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