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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Any truth or reality that makes them look bad is called an attack out of a knee jerk response mechanism to protect their supposed good name from being dirtied or sullied with the hard cold light of truth.
    I was waiting for the proof of Liberal or Leftist Secessionists. They exist but in the world of secessionists they are as rare as a black Mormon in Salt Lake city.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well tell me, if that were to happen and people just think things up, why is there no right to food water shelter since people have the power to think them up.

    as stated rights are recognized, they are not created by law because law is made by man, if man could create his own rights, then man can control rights.

    many of you on this forum, believe rights are created by man, but you seem to always forget that IF you have the power to create you have the power to destroy also.

    for the power of rights created to be in the hands of man, would be the most dangerous of thing, for it will lead to our destruction., and those that subscribe to this notion are setting a path for the destruction.
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    your fear is a bit over the top since a world where rights somehow exist on their own and one where we make them up both rely on people choosing to enforce those rights and choosing what they consider to be a right

    and that people can over power others who disagree

    I have not forgotten anything its just this appeal to consequences is rely stupid even if its really scary

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    from the Stoics of late antiquity until now, natural rights have stood rather firm.... a few laymen here and there might not believe in them, but that's based in their own personal political ideology rather than in any philosophical argument.

    I'm not confused as to why anyone would question them, but it still boggles my mind why any modern man would outright deny their existence... at the very root of being a free man is our natural rights....they provide the very foundation for our society, our culture, and our governments ( not just in the US).... and for some odd reason, we still run into laymen who will argue against them, as if everything we are and do is bereft of philosophical underpinnings.

    I can understand Haymarket making a stink about them... he possesses an irrational fear of anything libertarian( acute liberphobia )... it's a knee jerk reaction of his to deny anything a libertarian might believe in, even if that belief is beneficial to him and to mankind in total.
    I haven't pegged why you feel the need to disbelieve them yet... but i'm not surprised either of you fail to provide argumentation beyond " I'm not seeing...."
    since the defense for natural rights on this thread seems to be an appeal to consequences and a mix of appealing to tradition and authority you can understand why im not convinced

    what can be seen is very important in this case I can see from the news and accounts of history that people are not always granted are freedoms and that not every one wants them

    I can see that a world in which people believe in natural rights only and one where they exist independent of the human mind but do nothing on their own look identical

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, that would solve America's border problem, wouldn't it. America could pull it's resources like border patrol out, and make Texans or Texicans responsible.
    But what would Texas do about federal funding to close their budget gaps? Raise their own tax dollars?

    Texas Used Stimulus to Cover 97% of Its Deficit - The Atlantic
    Would imagine that Texas would have its own federal tax rate, since we would no longer be paying federal taxes to Washington under this imagined scenario

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It fits perfectly with your rape of the English language and trying to give fancy names to simple nonsense. Of course, you intentionally miss that since it makes you look silly trying to pretend you can support some sort of self determination or whatever crap you said without support the result of it which in this case is secession. Just a lot of stupid lipstick on the pig that you are trying to foist off as a beauty queen.
    you are really starting to worry me!

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What the Hell does NAMBLA have to do with Texas seceding from the union?
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in the world you inhabit, if a man said he was against pedophilia at the very second he was buggering a young boy, you would say he believed what he was saying?

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
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    your fear is a bit over the top since a world where rights somehow exist on their own and one where we make them up both rely on people choosing to enforce those rights and choosing what they consider to be a right

    and that people can over power others who disagree

    I have not forgotten anything its just this appeal to consequences is rely stupid even if its really scary
    you have no right to food water shelter in america, because they are commodities and have to be created by someone.......do you think you have a right to steal property of the people?

    you do not understand your rights at all.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in the world you inhabit, if a man said he was against pedophilia at the very second he was buggering a young boy, you would say he believed what he was saying?
    I might. He is a pathetic individual who can't control his impulses, and he knows it. He loathes his own sexuality, and for good reason, but is powerless to control it.

    So, he may actually not be a hypocrite. He may actually believe what he is saying.

    Now, if Texas decided to secede from the union, and there are plenty of Texans who would support that idea I'm sure, and some who seem to believe that Texas is already an independent nation, then why not let them? Why should the federal government have the right to ... oh, right. The bit of unpleasantness we refer to as the "civil war" did settle that question once and for all. Since might makes right, that means that no state may secede.
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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I might. He is a pathetic individual who can't control his impulses, and he knows it. He loathes his own sexuality, and for good reason, but is powerless to control it.

    So, he may actually not be a hypocrite. He may actually believe what he is saying.

    Now, if Texas decided to secede from the union, and there are plenty of Texans who would support that idea I'm sure, and some who seem to believe that Texas is already an independent nation, then why not let them? Why should the federal government have the right to ... oh, right. The bit of unpleasantness we refer to as the "civil war" did settle that question once and for all. Since might makes right, that means that no state may secede.
    well to make it clear from my prospective.

    iam not wanting a secession, but standing up for the RIGHTS of people, and 1 right being the right to self determination.

    the USSC has no authority to take away any rights of the people.

    and the federal government has no rights at all, only powers which can be taken away, and they have no delegated power per the constitution to preserve the harmony of the union....the founders denied them such a power on may 31st 1787

    as far as might makes right.....if stateS were to take the action of secession again, there will be no civil war, there will be outrage, protest, but no war.

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    Re: Would you support the right of Texas to secede?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well to make it clear from my prospective.

    iam not wanting a secession, but standing up for the RIGHTS of people, and 1 right being the right to self determination.

    the USSC has no authority to take away any rights of the people.

    and the federal government has no rights at all, only powers which can be taken away, and they have no delegated power per the constitution to preserve the harmony of the union....the founders denied them such a power on may 31st 1787

    as far as might makes right.....if stateS were to take the action of secession again, there will be no civil war, there will be outrage, protest, but no war.
    Yes, there would be protest and outrage. There could be military action as well, but the federal government holds all of the power in that regard, so there wouldn't be a civil war again.

    That's because might makes right, or at least ensures that there wouldn't be a war when might is so one sided.

    But, the fact of the matter is that we did fight a civil war over that very issue, and the result was that the forces against secession won. So, doesn't that settle the matter?

    Or was the civil war so long ago that it no longer matters?
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