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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Classic example of the desires of some that everyone be equally poor. Either that or this is merely what financially insecure and/or impulsive people say to themselves to rationalize their financial situation or try to find happiness in spite of it.
    An example of frog philosophy. There was a big frog who inhabited a well. One smaller frog had by chance gone to the Pacific ocean. When he informed the big fog at the well about the unimaginable size of the Pacific ocean, the ignorant big frog could not believe it. He began to inflate himself saying, "Is it twice as big as my well?" The little frog responded, "No it is much bigger than that." The frog then inflated himself some more and said, "it is four times as big as my my well?" The little frog said, "no, you don't understand, it's an ocean." The big frog then attempted to inflate himself some more, but then he burst. We should not be frog philosophers.

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Because that is a personal trait (as well as a personal 'state.') and I am not, nor do I desire to be. I am an avid reader and always looking for new things, new places, new experiences, new information. I am certainly not ignorant in the general sense, altho of course in areas.
    Being an avid reader and looking for new things are merely states as well and actually have nothing to do with the self.

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Being an avid reader and looking for new things are merely states as well and actually have nothing to do with the self.
    You are welcome to your opinion.
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    "No, you'll be *a* judge of that, just like everyone else who reads it."
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    An example of frog philosophy. There was a big frog who inhabited a well. One smaller frog had by chance gone to the Pacific ocean. When he informed the big fog at the well about the unimaginable size of the Pacific ocean, the ignorant big frog could not believe it. He began to inflate himself saying, "Is it twice as big as my well?" The little frog responded, "No it is much bigger than that." The frog then inflated himself some more and said, "it is four times as big as my my well?" The little frog said, "no, you don't understand, it's an ocean." The big frog then attempted to inflate himself some more, but then he burst. We should not be frog philosophers.
    Wow, my outlook is forever changed.

    My desire to build wealth is based on the following:
    1) My desire to provide my son every opportunity I can
    2) My desire to not rely on the goodwill (or political motivations) of others to meet my own basic needs
    3) My desire to cease to need income (I do not enjoy needing someone else's willingness to employ me on a perpetual basis)

    If I build enough wealth, these desires will be realized, and I will be happy about them.

    You can preach and pontificate all you want about not needing wealth, or that until I don't desire to build wealth I do not know some sort of "truth" out there, but if my son needs medical care, wants to go to college, if I get fired and can't find another job, if the economy collapses, I will be thanking myself for saving/investing some of my income to build wealth. Compared to that basic security and well-being for my family, all the preaching in the world about seeing some greater truth in being poor will be lost on me.

    To be honest, my ultimate goal in life is to retire to a modest 20-acre farm somewhere. But you know what I need to be able to achieve that goal? Wealth.
    "The knowledge and prudence of the poor themselves, are absolutely the only means by which any general and permanent improvement in their condition can be effected." - Thomas Malthus

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You are welcome to your opinion.
    There was a time when you could not read, and that is a condition that you may experience again before the end of your brief lifetime here. However, sentience remains constant throughout these states.

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    My desire to build wealth is based on the following:
    1) My desire to provide my son every opportunity I can
    2) My desire to not rely on the goodwill (or political motivations) of others to meet my own basic needs
    3) My desire to cease to need income (I do not enjoy needing someone else's willingness to employ me on a perpetual basis)

    If I build enough wealth, these desires will be realized, and I will be happy about them.
    That you believe this will cause you to be happy is your illusion. There have been many people who have attained these things and you have found that they do not give any type of substantial satisfaction. It is just like the condition of a man who is being waterboarded. When he is placed in a condition where that is no longer happening he may feel some relief from that type of suffering, but that relief he feels is not substantial happiness. Similarly, for a person who is experiencing suffering due to lack of wealth and the subsequent inability to fulfill some of his mundane desires, having wealth may give him some relief from that type of suffering, but still he will find that he experiences other types of suffering, and that relief from that type of suffering is not a substantial type of happiness.

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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nonsensical question. If you have knowledge, then you can make wealth.
    You can make wealth, doesn't mean you will. I know a ****ton of useless information about Australian reptiles, but I'm pretty broke.
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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The truth will make you free. Free from the need to have wealth.

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    People who claim so tend to be ridiculously stupid.
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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You can make wealth, doesn't mean you will. I know a ****ton of useless information about Australian reptiles, but I'm pretty broke.
    I knew a homeless guy who used to be a marine biologist.
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    Re: Knowledge or wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    An example of frog philosophy. There was a big frog who inhabited a well. One smaller frog had by chance gone to the Pacific ocean. When he informed the big fog at the well about the unimaginable size of the Pacific ocean, the ignorant big frog could not believe it. He began to inflate himself saying, "Is it twice as big as my well?" The little frog responded, "No it is much bigger than that." The frog then inflated himself some more and said, "it is four times as big as my my well?" The little frog said, "no, you don't understand, it's an ocean." The big frog then attempted to inflate himself some more, but then he burst. We should not be frog philosophers.
    I want to be ignorant but understand the truth.

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