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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Whether or not certain Southern States choose to honour the dead who fought in the Confederate Armies is for those States to decide.
    I would point out that Germany and Russia both honour the dead from their wars, including the Second World War, and no reasonable person sees in that any question of honouring or whitewashing the atrocious nature of the regimes for which those soldiers died.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    and the North won, ergo internal conflict.

    We should memorialize Americans killed in conflict. there is no reason to marginalize over half a million dead and pretend nothing ever happened. honoring killed confederate soldiers is not honoring the political cause. you're probably the same person who would've been spitting on Vietnam veterans 40 years ago with that attitude. it is sometimes appropriate to separate politics from people.

    remember, the south was brought back, slavery was abolished, and also we chose not to prosecute people for treason as a result of the war, and allowed each of the states to return.
    That's a fair point, outside of the meaningless and unnecessary Vietnam shot.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Whether or not certain Southern States choose to honour the dead who fought in the Confederate Armies is for those States to decide.
    I would point out that Germany and Russia both honour the dead from their wars, including the Second World War, and no reasonable person sees in that any question of honouring or whitewashing the atrocious nature of the regimes for which those soldiers died.
    Also a fair point.

    Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, the South can honor whoever they feel they have to. No skin off my ass.

    That said, and this is obviously way before any of us were ever born, but it really pisses me off when those "the south will rise again" racist jerkoffs refer to the Civil War as the "War Of Northern Aggression" when THEY fired the first shots.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's a fair point, outside of the meaningless and unnecessary Vietnam shot.
    it is relevant though, people seem to think they're being morally superior by taking political displeasure out on the troops. by the time bullets are flying in a war the decisions have already been made at a much higher level then some 17 year old sharecropper toting a musket in Anteitam.

    so to say that it's absolutely evil to honor the troops because the Souths position (which was at the time a mainstream political opinion) is unpalatable in modern politics is wrong.

    it's like people who hated the war yelled at and spit on Vietnam vets and called them baby killers and yada yada yada. you can honor the person while opposing the politics, many americans came to Admiral Karl Doeniz's funeral in the 80s.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    and the North won, ergo internal conflict.
    That's great, we still don't celebrate soldiers from another nation. Which the South saw itself as. End of story?

    We should memorialize Americans killed in conflict.
    Sure. IF they were part of the United States of America. If they fought to overthrow the US government in their states, and put in place a new one? They're traitors.

    there is no reason to marginalize over half a million dead and pretend nothing ever happened. honoring killed confederate soldiers is not honoring the political cause. you're probably the same person who would've been spitting on Vietnam veterans 40 years ago with that attitude. it is sometimes appropriate to separate politics from people.
    Save the emotional arguments. Nobody cares for them. Also, you know the whole 'spitting' thing never really happened. Right?

    remember, the south was brought back, slavery was abolished, and also we chose not to prosecute people for treason as a result of the war, and allowed each of the states to return.
    Yep, you're not an American if you fight against the US government under the flag of another. That's treason and should not be celebrated.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Also a fair point.

    Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, the South can honor whoever they feel they have to. No skin off my ass.

    That said, and this is obviously way before any of us were ever born, but it really pisses me off when those "the south will rise again" racist jerkoffs refer to the Civil War as the "War Of Northern Aggression" when THEY fired the first shots.
    Some people like to live in the past and others never get over the rancour of a defeat.
    The South has "risen" (economically, socially and politically), thanks to the fact that it remained part of the Union.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's great, we still don't celebrate soldiers from another nation. Which the saw saw itself as. End of story?
    we celebrates vets of Foreign countries all the time.

    Sure. IF they were part of the United States of America. If they fought to overthrow the US government in their states, and put in place a new one? They're traitors.
    The South never fought to overthrow the Northern Government. that's historical fact.



    Save the emotional arguments. Nobody cares for them. Also, you know the whole 'spitting' thing never really happened. Right?
    I've heard first hand accounts of it.



    Yep, you're not an American if you fight against the US government under the flag of another. That's treason and should not be celebrated.
    and what was in the better interests of the country? hangings all around, or working out the problems?
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's great, we still don't celebrate soldiers from another nation. Which the South saw itself as. End of story?
    So you tend to agree with those that see this as a war between two different nations and the US "conquered" and "annexed" another country in this conflict? You're entitled to your opinion, but I believe relatively few really serious people want to endorse the Southern cause in such an explicit way.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    we celebrates vets of Foreign countries all the time.
    Vets... who fought against the US? WHO? WHEN? What holiday? Let me know when it's "Empire of Japan's Veterans Day" or "Nazi Germany's Veterans Days". I'd like to see who the hell is there other than you.

    The South never fought to overthrow the Northern Government. that's historical fact.
    If they decided to secede and put a new government in a place, then they did in fact fight to overthrow the US government. Unless of course you find the creation of a new government as anything other than an overthrow.

    I've heard first hand accounts of it.
    That's great. I've also heard first hand accounts of alien abductions. It's still a myth.

    and what was in the better interests of the country? hangings all around, or working out the problems?
    ... What... was in the best interest of the country? That's a personal perspective. What I do know is that it's treason to fight against the armed forces of the US government. If you find differently, may I suggest you refer your arguments to all of the American Jidahis we've bombed over in Yemen and Pakistan? I'm sure they'd love to use your arguments. If you feel differently, may I suggest you try and incite your own personal rebellion against the United States and its territories? Tell us how it works out and what the charges are.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Did Union troops ever occupy Texas? No. They tried, and tried, and tried, and Texas whooped Union butt every single time.

    Texas in the American Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Really? From your own cite:

    The U.S. Navy blockaded the principal seaport, Galveston, for four years, and federal infantry occupied the city for three months in late 1862.
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    A few other cities also fell to Union troops at times during the war, including Port Lavaca, Indianola, and Brownsville.
    Granted, there were few battles and fewer Union victories in Texas. Nevertheless, the state still surrendered after wholesale desertion and looting by its troops (also detailed in your cite).

    So...Texas wins some battles and loses the war. Nope, it's Texas (and the rest of the Confederacy) with the butthurt.

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